No idea how far such ideas stretch into the psyche of the majority of adherents but I don't think views like this can be considered harmless eccentricity. This is not the Westboro Church - these people do reach a global audience of malleable minds. The number of Muslims from stable, long standing Western homes that are prepared to make the one way trek to ISIS controlled areas or commit acts of terrorism in the lands of their birth shows how indoctrinated ones can become. That's not to mention the countless number of those already in Muslim lands who are very receptive to the message these nutjob preachers are prepared to peddle.
konceptual99
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Islam is the Epitome of Misogyny
by cofty inin this video the popular saudi cleric sheik yahya al-jana discusses the joys of paradise, saying that men will have the strength of a hundred men in paradise and will be busy tearing hymens, while the virgins of paradise, whose breasts are like pomegranates, become virgins every time again.. the cleric also explains it is mostly men who enter paradise noting that women in general are bad because they refuse to wear the veil, they wear tight clothes in shopping malls, put on perfume and jewelry, and use filthy social media platforms.
source.... this is what young men from conservative muslim families are raised on.
is it any wonder islamic countries treat women appallingly?.
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Kick Back and Relax to Some Music
by Finkelstein inthat's right folks time to kick back , pour a cold one and in take in some tunes.. what are you listening to right now ?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xu87294pvx8.
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konceptual99
Check out the BBC 6 Music Maida Vale sessions from this week. My faves:
- Leftfield
- New Order
- Staves
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01n3zm0/broadcasts/2015/10
In fact, just listen to 6 Music.
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My subtle rant aug wt p21
by bobld inwill we submit to theocratic direction now?.
absolutely we will follow your directions.we the bethel family in the u.s.have been re-assigned to the field.we accept.. as traveling o/s because of advancing age and medical conditions we have been assigned as special pioneers.we accept.. oh!
we just received a new directive now we are re-assigned as regular pioneers.we accept.. we are now enjoying abundant blessing.we are grateful and contented,brimming with joy in our old old age.we are so close,very close to the end of our journey(lives).soon no more pain or sorrow.peace at last awaiting to be raised from the dead..
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konceptual99
As a younger man I never really was worried about having children. My wife and I never really expressed even a future desire to raise a family.
Our first child was not planned but I am eternally grateful to drunken passion that we did start down the road of raising a family.
Now, with a lovely family, I could not imagine facing the latter half of my life without the joy of having children. The thought of simply having memories to look back in my old age, rather than being able to consider the hopes, aspirations and future achievements of my kids and, hopefully, their kids seems a less positive way of approaching those final years.
Of course, not everyone can have a family but to have made the choice simply because you thought the end of world was coming and you would do it in the paradise is a crying shame.
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Why Jehovah Does Not Want An Effective Preaching Work
by konceptual99 inso we all know how ineffectual the preaching work really is.
we also know how much the wts hypes up the scope and scale of the global preaching effort.
what the gb should be doing however is emphasising the ineffectiveness of the preaching work.
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konceptual99
How about...
This is a very interesting paragraph because it confirms something that is supported by other scriptures. The illustration of the broad and narrow paths shows that salvation will only be achieved by a minority. The understanding of when humanity will become faint out of fear is not during the majority of the period of the last days but immediately pre-Armageddon as they realise judgement is upon them.
Jehovah has an express wish for all to gain repentance. This paragraph shows the signs are, on their own, not going to be enough for people to recognise the severity of the situation and seek Jehovah.
Survival through Armageddon is for the minority so that places a massive emphasis on the preaching work and the efforts made to reach as many people as possible.
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Candace Conti
by Pubsinger inso we know that wt settled out of court for an undisclosed sum and that presumably there was a 'gagging order' attached to the settlement.. not having really thought about what a 'confidentiality clause' meant before, i assumed in the past that it meant that you weren't allowed to disclose the amount of the settlement or any details about it.
but from the total and absolute silence once the settlement was made, i can only assume that it is a total gagging order.. how can the courts allow such a restriction to be put on a victim?
protecting the abusers and allowing the institution to cover up the lengths they go to to avoid admitting their guilt?
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konceptual99
She didn't quickly agree a deal though.
She spent years going through a litigation process that the WTS fought every step of the way.
I think it became clear to everyone that the WTS would never publicly change policy for one person. If CC had stuck to her guns re principles then she would get nothing. No procedural change. No compensation. No way of paying her bills.
She has achieved loads. She got lots of publicity against the WTS. She has made it a hell of a lot easier for others to come forward. I suspect she has or will influence some change in policy, even if it's to just reduce the risk of successful litigation against the WTS in the future.
I think she has done what any pragmatic and sensible person would do - make sure you walk away with something.
CC can hold her head up high. I really hope she can move on now and put this nightmare behind her.
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Candace Conti
by Pubsinger inso we know that wt settled out of court for an undisclosed sum and that presumably there was a 'gagging order' attached to the settlement.. not having really thought about what a 'confidentiality clause' meant before, i assumed in the past that it meant that you weren't allowed to disclose the amount of the settlement or any details about it.
but from the total and absolute silence once the settlement was made, i can only assume that it is a total gagging order.. how can the courts allow such a restriction to be put on a victim?
protecting the abusers and allowing the institution to cover up the lengths they go to to avoid admitting their guilt?
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konceptual99
The view from the pro JW community is that she took the money and run, reneging on her claim that she did not care about the money but wanted to force the WTS to change their policies.
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Warwitch (warwick) Workers Needed!
by DwainBowman inbut no girls allowed!
as of january, women won't be accepted as volunteers, at any of the job sites!.
it has to do with the rooming arrangements.
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Do they notice who no longer gives donations?
by onightdivine inbecause i haven't put in a single dime for over a year now in the box at the kh.
the usual custom is to put money in there right after the meetings.
but heck, i already spend so much in car fuel just to attend - i don't care really if the gb starves and dies.. oops.. anyway, do the elders take note who's donating and who's not?.
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konceptual99
There are two ways of knowing who contributes what here in the UK. One is through payments by cheque or electronic transfer into the bank. The second is through the gift aid arrangement. This is where the congregation can claim back the taxable element of the donation if the donor is a UK tax payer. Donations under GA have to be identified back to the person who made them.
I have done the job of accounts servant and I knew exactly how much was being donated and by whom when it came to about 60% of the donations. This was some time ago and now, with the prevalence of electronic transfer I would expect this figure to be higher.
A while back, appointed men where encouraged to have a GA donation arrangement. I refused as I thought it was a point of principle that donations should be unsolicited and anonymous.
To be honest though, I have never donated much. It was only ever on sporadic occasions and I have not given the org a penny since 2012 when I started waking up.
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Introducing...ME
by Heartsafire inlong time lurker here.
i'm a fifth gen born-in baptized jw.
to say i've been struggling with doubts is an understatement.
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konceptual99
Welcome. There are lots of people here in all states of disentanglement from the WTS. You will find support, empathy and encouragement here. Sometimes we disagree with one another but the good thing is it is allowed and we've learnt that instead of having to hate someone just because of one point of disagreement we can find lots of common ground and be a positive and productive community.
Welcome again!
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Operation "Change meeting infrra-weekly" is a smokescreen
by LaFrancia inthe operation "change midweek meeting" probably was a move to divert attention of the brotherhood from layoffs to betel and the ranks of special pioneers, a smokescreen for the pedophilia scandal !
!operation "change meeting infrra-weekly" is a smokescreen.
what do you think ?.
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konceptual99
The meeting "change" has been a long time in the planning, that's clear from the amount of material already produced.
I have also ready stated on here a couple of times that announcing the Bethel cuts as close as possible to the AGM and the meeting change does allow for the distraction of the latter to dilute discussion of the Bethel cuts. Don't forget as well that if you are not close to people in Bethel or have your ear to the JW gossip network then you may not have any inkling of the cuts and slowdown in construction.
The critical question is how long the cuts have been planned. Is it a knee jerk reaction to some sudden realisation about finances or has it been a plan B for some time? My gut says the former since I think they could have slowed some construction down far sooner if they knew they were likely going to cut the workforce.
Either way, I don't think the timing of the announcement about cuts was coincidental. I think it was made as close to the AGM and it's announcements as possible but not so close (i.e. 2/3 days before) so that it was all that was being talked about.
The current saying of the moment is about how fecking fast the chariot is moving and how we all need to be running around like demented chickens trying to keep on board. The GB have created this sense of momentum and the R&F have caught onto it. The only problem with this is having to keep introducing change to keep the sense of momentum up. It is already getting to the point of change simply for change sake.