I am pretty sure Fusion that I asked you on a previous thread to point to one example of where the Bible has actually added something to the body of scientific knowledge?
Is it possible to do so?
konceptual99
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The Case for Theism
by FusionTheism in"theism" here means "belief in a god" or "the worldview that an intelligent designer created the universe and life.
" ("god" here means a being with a mind who initiated and/or wound-up the universe, and designed life on earth)the most common claim that i see atheists making on twitter, is that "no evidence" exists in support of belief in a god.this post will remove any excuse atheists have for claiming "no evidence exists" in support of an initiator.
atheists can still reject this evidence as "weak," but they cannot truthfully say it does not exist.now, it is true that we do not have "observable, repeatable, falsifiable, empirical, scientific" evidence conclusively proving that an initiator exists, but we do have many lines of philisophical, experiential, and logical evidence.and... here... we... go:1:) many leading scientists, including stephen hawking, say that the space-time-matter universe had a beginning at the singularity/big bang.
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The Case for Theism
by FusionTheism in"theism" here means "belief in a god" or "the worldview that an intelligent designer created the universe and life.
" ("god" here means a being with a mind who initiated and/or wound-up the universe, and designed life on earth)the most common claim that i see atheists making on twitter, is that "no evidence" exists in support of belief in a god.this post will remove any excuse atheists have for claiming "no evidence exists" in support of an initiator.
atheists can still reject this evidence as "weak," but they cannot truthfully say it does not exist.now, it is true that we do not have "observable, repeatable, falsifiable, empirical, scientific" evidence conclusively proving that an initiator exists, but we do have many lines of philisophical, experiential, and logical evidence.and... here... we... go:1:) many leading scientists, including stephen hawking, say that the space-time-matter universe had a beginning at the singularity/big bang.
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konceptual99
Just opened my browser after being out for a few hours. Saw this thread title and then three little Viviane avatars on the right - I just burst out laughing, knowing opening the thread would see the OP ripped to shreds.
And so it came to pass....
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Are Jehovah’s Witnesses losing the War on Apostates
by Watchtower-Free infound this.
http://jwalumni.org/2015/06/08/who-are-jehovahs-witnesses-september-watchtower/.
by misha anouk on 8. june 2015 in news
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konceptual99
Firstly - it's a good blog article from Watchtower-Free, just a shame that this site was not mentioned in the list of influential sites critical of the Witnesses, especially as the whole blog post is posted here.
Secondly, the whole section leading up to where TOMO talks about apostates is telling. He mentions not having doubts, even so called "legitimate" ones, saying that one should simply stop having them, go back to why one came into the "truth" in the first places and consider the unity of doctrine. Nothing about addressing genuine questions that doubting ones have time and time again. No concessions or quarter given.
The GB know that there are no genuine answers to so many of the questions that those waking up to TTATT have. All they can do is peddle the same old line about sweeping concerns under the carpet. I am convinced that the only reason there is not a flood of people exiting the organisation is that the social implications are too great.
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How many times were you told, "You Just Don't Qualify Yet to be an Elder"
by John Aquila inyou think it's the holy spirit that appoints the elders, at least that's what new jw males are told.
the culture within the organization dictates to all young male jehovah's witnesses that unless you are an elder, you will not get the sultry, passionate- brunette, the voluptuous, curvaceous,- blond, or the seductive, erotic, red headed-vamp..
so unaware of the social forces that are shaping your mind, you succumb to the dictum issued by the governing body to conform to the structure already in place- if you want to be successful.
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By “evolution,” we mean “macroevolution”—apes turning into humans, for example.
by FadingTruth inaugust 2015 awake .
quote in title taken from article footnote.. anyone have information on who gene hwang and yan-der hsuuw in the article are?.
why do they repeatedly state that apes turned to humans when that's not what evolutionists teach at all?.
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First I just want to say I fully accept what science says about evolution, even though I have a strong Christian faith in Jesus and the Bible.
There are many, many ways that the Bible can harmonize with and complement modern science.
It's a deceptive false controversy to argue that you can only accept science OR God.
This is not an either/or situation.As I started to wake up, evolution was one the things that I was really struggling to harmonise with the Bible. I really wished I could have it both ways but the more I looked into evolution and the more I thought about the ineffectualness of God the more it simply became impossible for me to accept that evolution could have anything to do with any God and that everything around me pointed to the whole concept of God being illogical.
The Bible has added the sum total of zero items of any note to the body of scientific knowledge. Science owes zero to the Bible and everything to man questioning the world around him and being prepared to ignore the preconceptions enforced through religious belief.
I accept that there are many people who do accept evolution and have a faith in God. I respect their (and your) right to hold this view. All I am saying is that In my deconstruction of my beliefs I very quickly got over this possibility as to me there is almost as little logic and reason in it as my original beliefs as a Witness.
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By “evolution,” we mean “macroevolution”—apes turning into humans, for example.
by FadingTruth inaugust 2015 awake .
quote in title taken from article footnote.. anyone have information on who gene hwang and yan-der hsuuw in the article are?.
why do they repeatedly state that apes turned to humans when that's not what evolutionists teach at all?.
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konceptual99
The genome of men is more similar to the genome of apes than to the genome of women.
I use that to excuse my sense of humor and behavior on many occasions.Hi Billy,
Does this not depend on how you count the similarities in base pairs rather than genes and it's really the genes that matter? Plus I thought it was women and female chimps that were closer and even then only on the basis that you accept a 98.7% similarity in base pairs as opposed to 95% that has been proposed in more recent years?
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and Moses came down the mountain on his....DUCATI
by snare&racket inworst day in the last ten years, was the day i hit 0.00 with one and a half years of university to go.
nobody to turn to, nobody to ask for help.
i was 32 and as an ex jw had two family members in contact with me.
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Rutherford, Knorr or Franz - Who has the most influence on doctrine & process now?
by konceptual99 inso, i was thinking - who of the above still has the most influence on current wts doctrine and dogma?.
rutherford obviously created the smokescreen around 1914/607 but overall his work has been superseded i would suggest.. knorr created the various schools and they or their offspring still live on.
wasn't it during his tenure that all the blood doctrine, types/anti types (now chucked away of course), transplants etc came along?
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Interesting viewpoints. Don't forget Knorr was president from '42 to '77 when much of the doctrine and prohibitions were honed to what it was until recently. Was Franz doing most of the writing during that time - being the puppeteer? It was interesting that the generation change in the 90s happened after Franz's death suggesting that he supported a more short term view of when the end would come. -
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Rutherford, Knorr or Franz - Who has the most influence on doctrine & process now?
by konceptual99 inso, i was thinking - who of the above still has the most influence on current wts doctrine and dogma?.
rutherford obviously created the smokescreen around 1914/607 but overall his work has been superseded i would suggest.. knorr created the various schools and they or their offspring still live on.
wasn't it during his tenure that all the blood doctrine, types/anti types (now chucked away of course), transplants etc came along?
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So, I was thinking - who of the above still has the most influence on current WTS doctrine and dogma?
Rutherford obviously created the smokescreen around 1914/607 but overall his work has been superseded I would suggest.
Knorr created the various schools and they or their offspring still live on. Wasn't it during his tenure that all the blood doctrine, types/anti types (now chucked away of course), transplants etc came along? The elder arrangement came in under him as well.
Franz has the reputation for being the self appointed scholar but how much of the doctrine really changed under his command?
Lots has changed but lots hasn't either and the WTS has simply gone quiet on a number of fronts. Whose reign, doctrinal changes and processes has the most ongoing legacy now?
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2015 Convention Releases
by wifibandit inhttp://www.jw.org/en/publications/jw-convention-releases-2015/.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gc7cyswlvwg.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfmuamqiv4k.
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konceptual99
The aim of the Return to Jehovah publication is to capture those that have not really awoken to the TTATT but have faded (or otherwise) simply because of circumstance. I have a family member who was out for 10 years that came back a year or so ago. She had never mentally left, just found the routine too much at a certain point in her life. She never really stopped believing. It is these ones that the WTS want to grab back through a combination of guilt and fear.
They do not care one bit about those that have left because of issues with the doctrine and practices of the religion. They are not interested in addressing serious questions about the glaring holes in prophecy, clear disconnects between Bible stories and the scientific truth, issues around child protection and so on.
This is not some watering down of the attitude towards unrepentant disfellowshipped ones or those who can no longer stomach the disregard for honest hearted questioning. The only way that they hold onto a large proportion of the membership is through social pressure - the fear of exclusion for simply disagreeing. Lose that tool and they lose the game.