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  Inactive ones are not JWs

  by gone for good in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  years ago, the insinuation was often presented, that those who were inactive were actually not witnesses at all.

  the point being made was that ''...winesses is a verb, not a noun...''.

  i know there were published assertions to this end in the older books and magazines, with possibly even quotes from the likes of rutherford or knorr ,.

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  I get your point goneforgone but as far as the JW machine is concerned they don't care.

  If someone fades to avoid DA/DF they are still seen as fair game if they ever get back on the radar, either as someone who needs to be DF'ed cos the elders can't stand someone playing the system, or as a lost sheep who could be reactivated. Anyone who remains in a locale and is well known by the congregation who does things that would normally require a JC to be formed stands a good chance of being hounded at some point.

  If their argument is that they have a right to religious freedom and just want to leave then the JW line is clear - just disassociate yourself. No one is stopping you. Everyone knows that the only way of minimising the social consequences is to fade. Even then it's not certain how individuals will react.

  The desire to judge is strong. The fear of those who have left is even greater.

  I don't see anyone is going to buy some human rights argument since there is no one stopping anyone from just stopping coming or formally saying they are stopping. Even arguing about the social and family consequences has little traction from a human rights perspective it would appear.
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  Inactive ones are not JWs

  by gone for good in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  years ago, the insinuation was often presented, that those who were inactive were actually not witnesses at all.

  the point being made was that ''...winesses is a verb, not a noun...''.

  i know there were published assertions to this end in the older books and magazines, with possibly even quotes from the likes of rutherford or knorr ,.

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  Inactive ones are still officially considered Witnesses and if they start attending once again they can be held to account for things done whilst inactive.

  Of course there are various shades of grey as to how individuals are treated either by their families or the wider congregation.

  Trying to argue that something an inactive person does not matter as they are not known as a Witness holds little water as the elders will claim they are still baptised, not DF/DA and would face a JC if they were attending.
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  JW Child Abuse Makes 'Private Eye'

  by Joe Grundy in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  following on from the recent thread about wt losing an appeal concerning the uk charity commission (sorry, i can't do the link) i'm pleased to report that this matter is covered in the latest 'private eye' (20 march - 2 april issue).. it's a one-third page article (p.34) under the heading 'child abuse' and the headline 'silent witnesses'.

  it reports the case accurately, mentions several criminal cases and the ongoing high court compensation case.

  it includes some of judge mckenna's comments..

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  konceptual99

  Top marks Joe!
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  jwtalk...wow. just...wow.

  by HeyThere in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  so i was lurking on jwtalk after trying to read the thread on there about the broadcast about the conti case...and holy moly there are some bat ish crazy talk on that site!

  they also blocked the thread about the broadcast, lol!

  they are scuuuuured (scared).

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  konceptual99

  http://jwtalk.net/forums/index.php?app=core&module=global§ion=register

  nothing there that cannot be found out. PM me for anything you don't know.
  
  
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  Growing number of memorial partakers explained(?) by local elder

  by stillin in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i brought this up in a conversation after today's meeting.

  the elder knowingly acknowledged the growing number and pointed out that of course, now we understand why this is so.

  i gave my best blank stare and said "we do?

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  He clearly forgot about the doctrine change that removed the barrier for sealing from 1935.
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  jwtalk...wow. just...wow.

  by HeyThere in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  so i was lurking on jwtalk after trying to read the thread on there about the broadcast about the conti case...and holy moly there are some bat ish crazy talk on that site!

  they also blocked the thread about the broadcast, lol!

  they are scuuuuured (scared).

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  and this is a quote from a recent post...

  After reading what witnesses declared during the trial, I have serious doubts about Candace Conti's honesty. I think this girl left the Truth, led a dissolute life, and when she found Kendrick's name in a sex offenders registry plotted a way to obtain a huge amount of money. She got in touch with apostate organizations that directed her to that lawyer, and the rest you know already. I'm very afraid that this whole story is all about the benjamins, and since most people around her are apostates, they are taking advantage of the situation to further their agenda.

  
  
  
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  jwtalk...wow. just...wow.

  by HeyThere in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  so i was lurking on jwtalk after trying to read the thread on there about the broadcast about the conti case...and holy moly there are some bat ish crazy talk on that site!

  they also blocked the thread about the broadcast, lol!

  they are scuuuuured (scared).

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  konceptual99

  Just to clarify. The topic is still open. It got moved to a private area so only members can see it.
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  Anyone else like Radiohead?

  by LoveUniHateExams in

  1. social
  2. entertainment

  over the past couple of weeks, i've discovered the 'alternative rock group' radiohead.

  of course, i've known of their name for years and years but never, until recently, bothered to check out their music.

  i'm also quite a big fan of damon albarn and admire him not only for his substantial musical output but also for the different 'feel' to his songs - oasis, in contrast, seem to have just one beatles-esque style.

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  Yes - brilliant, brilliant band.

  Don't write off Oasis. Noel Gallagher is a master songwriter. I know they have a pretty basic style but they were a really great band.

  If you are going to get into the Blur v Oasis argument then just pick the winner. Pulp.
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  jwtalk...wow. just...wow.

  by HeyThere in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  so i was lurking on jwtalk after trying to read the thread on there about the broadcast about the conti case...and holy moly there are some bat ish crazy talk on that site!

  they also blocked the thread about the broadcast, lol!

  they are scuuuuured (scared).

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  konceptual99

  There is alot of talk about how Conti is just driven by greed to pursue the WTS and not Kendrick. How she is following an apostate agenda. How her story is not backed up by her parents or anyone else in the congregation. How Lett has warned against being influenced by these apostate backed lies.

  There are some sympathisers but going anywhere near suggesting that Conti is entitled to pursue her case is prompting accusations of supporting apostates. You have to tread very carefully on there...
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  Mormon view of JW.ORG

  by konceptual99 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  does anyone have any links to how the mormons (or ex mormons for that matter) view the changes that the wts has made over recent years, especially the growth of jw.org and characters like caleb & sophia?.

  have they noticed?

  do they see similarities?

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  Noah preached for many years and he saw no results at all, still he is called a preacher of righteousness 2 Peter 2:5

  It's a fecking good job none of them did otherwise the ark would not have been big enough. Did Jehovah know it would only be Noah when he gave him the plans? Or would he have chucked off the elephants, rhinos, hippos, wildebeast and giraffes if a few too many people had said they were coming along for the ride?
  I don't mind someone sticking up for the WT but to use the Flood to back up some lame justification for wasting your time every Saturday morning is really scrapping the barrel. I am amazed you've been around this site for so long and can still give the idea of a global flood survived only by that weirdy beardy and his family any credence.