the mormon / lds church has noticably changed it's stance toward homosexuality and instead of condemning it seems to be supporting protection for people's rights (of course they want to throw some protection for themselves in there as well).. how will this affect the wts?
the lds is the more-successful counterpart to the wts, similar age and history and same non-mainstream appeal.. i have no doubt that the lds church is only changing because they know which way the wind is blowing and society has completely changes it's attitudes towards gay people.
maybe they just want to stay ahead pf the curve before federal legislation enforces people's rights.. now, can we see the wts changing their views" will they be one of the last holdouts?
Do I see further "concessions" to accepting it's not just a lifestyle choice? Perhaps. Do I see further acceptance of gay people into the congregation if they are celibate? Perhaps. These would be to appear more open and deflect direct criticism of being homophobic but I can only ever see this being the minimum to prevent loss of some kind of charitable status.
Do I see them saying you can gay just so long as you are in a legal marriage and don't have sex outside of marriage? Never.
i know that logging in has been a problem for some.
i hardly post any more.
i figured there would be more activity than this.
My main issue is that with the old forum you could very easily see the latest comments on a thread and decide if you wanted to delve into it. When you did you went to the latest posts.
The reply avatars now show the last 3 posters which is intended to make it easier to see who posted recently and clicking any of those takes you to that point in the topic as before.
All the functionality of the old site is available on the new site plus more options as well. If something seems difficult or missing then it may be unclear - just ask and we'll point you in the right direction for making the most out of it.
I have just realised that clicking on the avatar of the most recent poster(s) takes you directly to that post. This is obviously quicker than what I was doing. This is a good example of perhaps where it's not knowing what one does not know!
Yup - best to ask. Please don't take my original comment as a moaning criticism - just an observation. Thanks for responding.
i know that logging in has been a problem for some.
i hardly post any more.
i figured there would be more activity than this.
I have just realised that clicking on the avatar of the most recent poster(s) takes you directly to that post. This is obviously quicker than what I was doing. This is a good example of perhaps where it's not knowing what one does not know!
the truthtm about generations.. .
"the length of time is indicated by him when he said, "truly i say to you that this generation will by no means pass away until all these things occur.
" (matt.
i know that logging in has been a problem for some.
i hardly post any more.
i figured there would be more activity than this.
I really appreciate the work Simon has put in but have to agree that there are some changes that I don't think have been for the better. My main issue is that with the old forum you could very easily see the latest comments on a thread and decide if you wanted to delve into it. When you did you went to the latest posts. Now you just see the original post and have no idea if the latest comments merit further investigation. I also think there is less information on the screen, even with snippets. The option to display 20 posts is fine but that get's lost each time for me as I browse with Chrome incognito turned on so the setting is lost. Not the forum's problem I guess :-)
The plus side is that editing with an iPad works much better. The messaging side is improved as well.
just when you think you've heard it all............in my research for my project, i was doing some digging around on the subject of the 144,000 and came across something in the wts's literature that absolutely stunned me and, being the generous soul that i am , wanted to pass it on to you to get your thoughts on this.. .
we all know that the society teaches that the 144,000 mentioned in revelation is speaking of "spiritual israel" and not 'fleshly israel' or even other christians in general right?
there are countless quotes throughout the literature that we are all familiar with that specifically state this, but to drive home a point, here are a few:.
arrrghh...it amazes me!.
i have just seen more witnesses from "my" congregation manning the "literature carts".. it is over 40c / 100f temp, with very high humidity as well... and there they are...in the heat...like martyrs....earning "god points".. they are being ignored by the very few passers by....all of whom are trying to get out of the heat.. what is the point!?!
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the saddest story ever told.
despite being childhood sweethearts, in the year 1941 they decided to postpone marriage and remain single and childless in this system so as to put the the theocracy first, albeit under the control of the watch tower society.. in the final pages of the children book john and eunice walk silently through the fields and stop by a great tree on the river bank where they had sometime before discussed their future plans.
the young lovers seat themselves down and look over the landscape.
Hi blondie,
I agree that the historical rhetoric of the WTS did lead many to "pursue singleness" but do you think this is the case today? There are plenty of single sisters around and I would bet good money on most of them being more than happy to be married but just can't find a bloke in the congregation.
you don't have to know much to talk to jw's and show them they don't want to really discuss the matters.they consider a discussion on the matter they are pushing to be "confrontational.".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfw_txpmsj8.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lqtadagucq.
The use of a camera does show up that these Witnesses did not have much real depth of understanding of the creation/evolution debate. The control aspect is also evident. From that perspective I think it is great work.
On the other hand, I think that if one's goal is to sow seeds of TTATT then doing so without a camera would be more productive.
Regardless, often when a Witness is faced by someone with knowledge of a subject and the ability to debate the matter then they eventually want to move on. Even when having a discussion in a reasonable manner, if it is obvious that the person is not coming round to some acceptance of the JW POV then most dubs will move on - no sale here. When on the doorstep it's easy, you just say "I have to go now". With the carts it's less easy, they have to be pretty rude and pack up. Showing that on camera is pretty telling.
I hope the producer, "dontdoasyourtold" carries on with some videos. I see they are filmed in Bristol and I know at least one friend of ours who does the metropolitan witnessing work there and I would love to see what happens if she was engaged in conversation!
you don't have to know much to talk to jw's and show them they don't want to really discuss the matters.they consider a discussion on the matter they are pushing to be "confrontational.".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfw_txpmsj8.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lqtadagucq.
Yes, the Witnesses are in a public place. Yes, the guy has a right to film. I would agree he was not confrontational in his manner of questioning. I do think however that many people would feel some apprehension about being filmed in this way. I am not surprised that the reaction is that there must be an agenda to why they are being filmed. I am therefore not surprised at all that the response was to move on. Witnesses are constantly told not to engage with those whose purpose is to criticise and very few are really capable of handing direct questioning and reasoning even when it is done in a calm manner. I would be interested know how much more time he could have spent talking with the Witnesses with no camera.
The persecution complex is strong in this one....
