As long as I wondered if they might be right, I lingered "waiting on Jehovah", though I became inactive. My doubts had been accruing for years, but once I finally admitted one day: "this is it--its time for me to admit I just don't believe it"--that was it! I never had the slightest doubt after that (late 1970s) that they could not possibly be "THE Truth". My concern then came to be for those who had that fear you speak of, and for whatever reason which even I do not understand, my activities for exJWs have far exceeded any interest I ever had in being a JW.
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21Were you afraid that the JW's were right?
by jurs inmany posters have said that initially they had doubts and then cane to the internet to check things out.
were any of you afraid that maybe you would find that the org was the truth ?.
i was worried about that.
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PREDICTION:
by ros inas we see a rising tide of problems confronting the new watchtower leadership, and a tidal wave swelling on the horizon, some interesting rumours are starting to trickle out.
we are waiting to see what the fallout will be following the dateline expose' on pedophilia cover-ups, which will undoubtedly lead to exposing the watchtower's policy to cover up other criminal behavior so as to not "bring reproach on jehovah's name.
" rumour is that the factions at headquarters are becoming increasingly divided.
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Worf:
I,ve got information on a health insurance scam and the names of prominent ones involved within the org.
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I didn't KNOW--w-w- THIS ! ! !
by ros ini just learned something from a post on the old h2o that has me steaming!.
(some of us still occasionally post there, including--bless his heart--kent.).
according to one poster, there seems to be something reallllly steaming at bethel since 1997 (assuming the guy knows what he's alluding).
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So, the question is, might what the poster of the info be on to something? Naturally, it is rumour, but the one who was being responded to claimed that Watchtower Bethel headquarters is being faced with something since 1997 that has them backed against the wall. Something not in the media and not on the Internet. Might it have something to do with this or not.
/Farkel, you read sooo much into so little. Trite. As usual. Maybe you need an enima./
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DATELINE-"Soon!AnyDayNow!JustAroundTheCorn...
by Tallyman indateline-"soon!anydaynow!justaroundthecorner!".
just read bendrr's post.. been out of the loop for awhile.. what's the deal with this so-called piece/expose on jw-pedophilia.
that nbc's "dateline" is supposed to be airing?.
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Well ... if you think its a fraud, ignore it!
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I didn't KNOW--w-w- THIS ! ! !
by ros ini just learned something from a post on the old h2o that has me steaming!.
(some of us still occasionally post there, including--bless his heart--kent.).
according to one poster, there seems to be something reallllly steaming at bethel since 1997 (assuming the guy knows what he's alluding).
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Hi, all:
I just learned something from a post on the old H2O that has me steaming!
(Some of us still occasionally post there, including--bless his heart--Kent.)According to one poster, there seems to be something reallllly steaming at Bethel since 1997 (assuming the guy knows what he's alluding). Something the GB is at a loss to know how to handle. Then, one poster trying to figure out what the problem might be posted this, in part (you'll have to go there to see the rest of the post):
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The Society had a policy back then, that if any body , especially elderly persons had money, they could turn it over to the Society and would receive payments back each month for their retirement expenses, when they passed on, the money would automatically become the Society's. This policy was verbally distributed at the circuit servant level, gave them opportunity to frequent the well to do brother's homes as an added bonus.Has this been common knowledge among exJWs, and I ros have just been oblivious to it????? Can anybody know something like this and not realize the WTS is a financial conglomerate not a religious one???? He goes on to say, in part:
Now I am sure the Society, has invested that money, and not just in Kingdom Halls. That governing body member that went down to the N.Y Stock exchange did not go down there to play bingo. Maybe they have been placing bets on dead or dying horses. There has been a down turn in the stock market in the last few years, especially in high teck stocks. Nortel in Canada, holds about one third of investment in Canada (orsome such figure)has been a disaster.
Okay, what do you say?
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Prepping for a Far-Off Armageddon?
by outnfree inthis little item from the 08 sept 2001 awake!
caught my eye, making me think that as the "generation" ages and the tower becomes more and more mainstream, the need for armageddon to come soon "to bring to ruin those ruining the earth" may not be so urgent:.
'overpopulation' a myth?.
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I would be surprised if they ever intentionally fade away from trying to present a sense of urgency for the end of the world. People are much more productive when they think it will affect their own life. It has always been so profitable for the organization. For example, when Fred Franz merely suggested a possibility of 1975 in the 1960s, it exploded into a frenzy. Once the Organization saw how profitable it was, they kept it going and even fueled the fire.
So, when there was a falling away following 1975, what did they do? They had a house-cleaning at Bethel in 1980 and claimed the falling away between 1975-1980 was due to apostacy at headquarters.
No, I don't think they are likely to let go of the sense of urgency for the end of the world until they are ready to 'cash in their chips' to phrase it in 'apostate' terms.
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DATELINE-"Soon!AnyDayNow!JustAroundTheCorn...
by Tallyman indateline-"soon!anydaynow!justaroundthecorner!".
just read bendrr's post.. been out of the loop for awhile.. what's the deal with this so-called piece/expose on jw-pedophilia.
that nbc's "dateline" is supposed to be airing?.
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DateLine has been interviewing and filming in various parts of the country. Their plan at this time is to air the program in September. But who's to say whether the WTS could interfere, buy them off, or whatever. Maybe THAT could happen. Barring something like that, if things go as planned at this time, they will be airing the program this fall.
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Meet Silentlambs In Person!
by silentlambs ini am going to be at a trial in ritzville, washington.
the town is about an hour southwest from spokane, wa.
i will be there on august 14th, which will be on a tuesday.
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SilentLambs:
Erica Rodriguez is not DF or DA, as far as all are concered she is a Jehovah's Witness in good standing.
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PREDICTION:
by ros inas we see a rising tide of problems confronting the new watchtower leadership, and a tidal wave swelling on the horizon, some interesting rumours are starting to trickle out.
we are waiting to see what the fallout will be following the dateline expose' on pedophilia cover-ups, which will undoubtedly lead to exposing the watchtower's policy to cover up other criminal behavior so as to not "bring reproach on jehovah's name.
" rumour is that the factions at headquarters are becoming increasingly divided.
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Metatron and Max:
How about things like spouse battering? Adult rape? Theft?
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No Moral Absolutes?
by Rex B13 inhi gang,.
those who claim that morality is subjective have painted themselves into a corner.
how about this, kent, big jim, seeker, a.f., j.h., troglodyte trilobyte, hippo the dippo, lisa baby, mulan, ldh, boynenko, et al?.
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My personal view is that morality is not subjective, but people opinions about make it appear to be subjective. I tend to think that the morality of a partaicular specie is evident from the needs of their young, and the attitude of parents about their off-spring. So, in those species that mate for life, we see both parents taking part in the rearing of their young, and the offspring have an inherent need that matches the parental participation. Also, in some species (birds), it seems that mating at least matches the time it takes for the young to mature where both parents participate in the upbringing.
So, I ask: Why do people mate? Especially people who believe in open and free sex. Presumably, if they are honest, they have the same standard for their mate, right? Why not abolish marriage and get rid of all the problems associated with d-i-v-o-r-c-e? If people want to live together fine--nothing stopping them. Any number and any combination. If a woman wants a harem of men, what's the big deal? People in those families wouldn't know who their father was, but then what difference should that make? Its subjective isn't it? Lots of animals don't know who their sire is, and they get along just fine. And just think: There wouldn't be any jealous rages for unfaithfulness, no unwarranted possiveness. We need to simplify human existence and get rid of a lot of these subjective hang-ups. People don't NEED to know who their sire is. Right? We've been 'brainwashed' again. (Course, then there is the question, why do so many human fathers feel such a strong attachment for their off-spring. Must be subjective.)