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  "Put Faith in a Victorious Organization" WT 3/1/79

  by WingCommander in

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  the concept of "the organization" is not new in jw-land.

  it's been around since rutherford's time.

  ray franz is quoted as saying in the first jw expose documentary entitled "witnesses of jehovah" in 1986: .

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  It is interesting to note that they set their starting date back to the time when the Israelites came out of Egypt. They see themselves as an extension of the nation of Israel. They have nothing to do with Jesus and/or Christianity.

  An organization that has survived 3,500 tempestuous years is surely worthy of examination. Wherein lies the strength of this organization? Why should we put faith in it today? Articles starting on pages 12 and 20 supply the answers(w79 3/1 p. 2)
  

  GOD’S visible, earthly organization came to view with the establishing of the 12 tribes of the Hebrew people as a nation with a theocratic government over them in the year 1513 before our Common Era. There was no democratic voting for this government. The Liberator of that people from death-dealing slavery in ancient Egypt was the One who decided upon the government. He also set it up. This One was God and in that government he held the supreme power. For this reason, it is called theocratic and its ruler is called a Theocrat! All his subjects are commanded and are rightly commanded to worship him, their governmental Ruler, as their God. This was according to the first two of the Ten Commandments that were declared to the Israelite nation at Mount Sinai in Arabia. (w79 3/1 p. 12 par. 1)

  Now that they are losing members, the solution? They will again try to lure the masses by talking a bit more about Jesus and Christianity, they will masquerade as Christians... make some videos, articles here and there. Just like they did in Russell's time.... When they gain enough power, they will tighten the strings again, and iron fist rule will come.
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  JWs in Norway lost to the state - will not get state support back

  by BelisemDeBelimakom in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  translated with google translate:.

  the trial went before oslo district court in january, and now the district court has concluded that the state is acquitted.

  jehovah's witnesses are also ordered to pay court costs of just over nok 1.1 million.. https://www-vg-no.translate.goog/nyheter/innenriks/i/2bljxg/staten-frikjennes-etter-aa-ha-blitt-saksoekt-av-jehovas-vitner-melder-dagen?_x_tr_sl=ka&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp.

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  Translated with Google Translate:

  The trial went before Oslo district court in January, and now the district court has concluded that the state is acquitted. Jehovah's Witnesses are also ordered to pay court costs of just over NOK 1.1 million.

  https://www-vg-no.translate.goog/nyheter/innenriks/i/2BLjxG/staten-frikjennes-etter-aa-ha-blitt-saksoekt-av-jehovas-vitner-melder-dagen?_x_tr_sl=ka&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp
  
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  Why Do JW's Believe that Hell is Symbolic When the Disciples of the Apostles believed it Was Literal ?

  by Sea Breeze in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  looks like the early christians believed jesus when he warned about hell over 40 times.

  why don't the jw's do the same?.

  from “the epistle of barnabas” (70-130ad).

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  BelisemDeBelimakom

  Here is what I have found to these questions:

  How does hellfire work? When did it start? How was it told to Adam & Eve? What was the criteria to go there or not?

  
  From the book "The Forgotten Books of Eden", by Rutherford Platt (1926)

  The First Book of Adam and Eve

  Chapter XLV - Why Satan didn't fulfil his promises. Description of hell.

  
  

  1 Then Adam rose and prayed to God, saying, "See, this fire has separated us from the cave in which You have commanded us to live; but now, behold, we cannot go into it."

  2 Then God heard Adam, and sent him His Word, that said:—

  3 "O Adam, see this fire! How different the flame and heat thereof are from the garden of delights and the good things in it!

  4 When you were under My control, all creatures yielded to you; but after you have transgressed My commandment, they all rise over you."

  5 God said again to him, "See, O Adam, how Satan has exalted you! He has deprived you of the Godhead, and of an exalted state like Me, and has not kept his word to you; but has, after all, become your enemy. He is the one who made this fire in which he meant to burn you and Eve.

  6 Why, O Adam, has he not kept his agreement with you, not even one day; but has deprived you of the glory that was on you—when you yielded to his command?

  7 Do you think, Adam, that he loved you when he made this agreement with you? Or that he loved you and wished to raise you on high?

  8 But no, Adam, he did not do all that out of love to you; but he wished to make you come out of light into darkness; and from an exalted state to degradation; from glory to abasement; from joy to sorrow; and from rest to fasting and fainting."

  9 God also said to Adam, "See this fire kindled by Satan around your cave; see this wonder that surrounds you; and know that it will encompass about both you and your descendants, when you obey his command; that he will plague you with fire; and that you will go down into hell after you are dead.

  10 Then you will see the burning of his fire, that will be burning around you and likewise your descendants. You will not be delivered from it until My coming; just like you cannot go into your cave right now because of the great fire around it; not until My Word comes and makes a way for you on the day My covenant is fulfilled.

  11 There is no way for you at present to come from this life to rest, not until My Word comes, who is My Word. Then He will make a way for you, and you shall have rest." Then God called with His Word to the fire that burned around the cave, that it split itself in half, until Adam had gone through it. Then the fire parted itself by God's order, and a way was made for Adam*.

  12 And God withdrew His Word from Adam.
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  The Governing Body - Both sides of their coin

  by Ron.W. in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  how many can you think of.... they speak for god.. it would seem presumptuous to say they speak for god,.

  they are neither inspired nor infallible.. they are god's only channel for issuing truth here on earth.

  they won't be apologising for any errors/falsehoods they have promoted in the past that fail.. congregation members must be quick and apologise for their errors to avoid harsh discipline/disfellowshipping.. when they change a major belief/doctrine you must not complain or criticise them.

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  This is known as "doubletalk" or "doublethink." Doubletalk is use of deliberately ambiguous or confusing language to deceive. This tactic creates confusion, making it difficult for others to pin down the true intentions or positions of the speaker.

  Perhaps this dilemma or uncertainty they are trying to create is a specific technique designed and used to increase dependency on them. Normally, this continous doubletalk (and new lights coming in all the time) is supposed to make people question and wake up after a while, but it is interesting that this is not the case for most JWs. It seems that the deceptive scheme they have set up has a much more complex structure and the double language is only part of it.
  
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  spirit directed organization

  by enoughisenough in

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  i was watching a video about wt and money and the "brother" refers to the "spirit directed organization.

  " he also says they use donations wisely and modestly.

  are the gb so deluded and therefore their followers?

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  BelisemDeBelimakom

  Yes, they are guided "by the spirit", but a spirit that is not of God. So it's not a complete lie. Thus they are still living according to the law/works. If it were the true spirit, they would be free (Galatians chapter 5). Hypnosis/ enchantment/spell is so powerful that we didn't see it for decades.
  
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  144 year-old mystery finally solved

  by Tahoe in

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  BelisemDeBelimakom

  Here is how the JW lights were prophesied:

  "But the path of the JW is like the bright strobe light
  

  That flashes on and off until complete vision loss."

  - Proverb 4:18 (NWT)
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  I think circuit overseers should have a job like the apostle Paul

  by forzaitalia in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  am i being mean, thinking that travelling overseers should get a part-time job like paul did, in order to not be a burden to the congregation?

  i wouldn't put my hand up when we were asked to raise it if we were happy to give £50 from congregation funds to the c.o.

  so that he could take his wife out for a meal.

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  BelisemDeBelimakom

  Here is a post of BoogerMan on the subject:

  "Career Christians" ignore these Scriptures

  https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5940059249836032/career-christians-ignore-these-scriptures
  
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  Real reasons behind this change?

  by Gorb in

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  2. friends

  just a good conversation at home about the hour report change.. we think the change was not impmemented because the gb are such a lovely bunch of old grandpa's having the best in mind for us individuals.. there will be only, and we say only, an organizational reason for it.

  a legal reason, to protect jw.org and it's officials and wealth.. next step?

  maybe selling more kh and when jw hollywood studio's in rampoo are ready a change to tv subscription.. what do you think?

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  In addition to hiding the statistics disaster in the first place, I think this new reporting system will pave the way for each publisher (will be required) to create a jw.borg account and submit their reports from there.
  
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  2023 WTS Annual Meeting?

  by careful in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the first saturday in oct. is coming up soon.

  that's when the org holds its annual meeting.

  not that many years back, it used to be hyped beforehand with favored ones getting special invites.

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  BelisemDeBelimakom

  https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/16y320h/annual_meeting_2023_update_1_the_great_dumbing/
  
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  Michael died twice for JW's sins.

  by moomanchu in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  once when jehovah turned him into a sperm and once when the romans crucified him.. technically sperm is still alive when used for invitro fertilization.

  then again is sleeping in a tomb for a few hours really dead ?.

  forget it, no one died for jw's sins.

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  BelisemDeBelimakom

  Jesus is not Michael the Archangel, He can't be. There is no single archangel as the JWs claim (See Daniel 10). it's a WT fabrication. So they want to make Jesus look inferior and to reinforce the "belief" that there is nothing divine about him..

  
  

  6 biblical facts about the archangel Michael

  1. Michael is the only one the Bible calls an archangel

  We’re told Michael’s title in Jude 9. The Greek word for “archangel” (archággelos) means “chief angel” or “chief messenger.” The word “archangel” isn’t use to describe him in the Old Testament, but another angel calls him one of the chief princes (Dan 10:13).

  Calling Michael “one of the chief princes” implies that Michael has peers. However, if there are any other archangels, the Bible doesn’t tell us who they are.

  2. Michael stands guard over Israel

  In Daniel’s last vision, an angel describes how the last days will play out for the Jews. It is at this time that Michael, “the great prince who stands guard over the sons of your people will arise” (Dan 12:1). The angel also refers to Michael as Daniel’s prince (Dan 10:21). The Bible doesn’t say what “standing guard” entails, but it’s very clear that Michael has special responsibilities for Israel.

  3. Michael directly opposes Satan

  Jude mentions that Michael argues with Satan about the body of Moses (a nod to a Jewish tradition). Unfortunately, we’re not given any more information on what that argument was about. Jude does tell us that Michael wasn’t so bold as to pronounce a “railing judgment” (the Greek word for “railing” is often translated “blasphemous” or “defaming”) against the devil. What he does say is interesting enough to merit a fact to itself . . .

  4. Michael only says four words in the Bible

  Well, three Greek words that are often translated into four English words. In Jude 9, Michael says to Satan, “The Lord rebuke you!”

  5. Michael is a military commander of some angels

  In John’s apocalypse, he sees a great war in heaven: Michael and his angels vs. the dragon (Satan) and his angels. The devil and his forces are too weak to remain in heaven, however, and so they are all thrown down to earth (Rev 12:7–9).

  6. Michael battles the patron angels of other nations

  In Daniel chapter 10, the prophet fasts, humbling himself before God and praying for understanding regarding the Jews’ future. An angel finally appears to him 21 days later, and explains the delay: the “prince of Persia” had been opposing him the whole time, and it wasn’t until Michael relieved the angel that he could continue his trip to Daniel. The angel stays with Daniel long enough to give an outline of future events for the Jews, but must return to fighting the prince of Persia (and the prince of Greece will soon join the fight, too). Only Michael supports this angel against these forces (Dan 10:21).

  Source https://overviewbible.com/michael-archangel/