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  How much was Christ's ransom sacrifice? Equal to Adam?

  by jonathan dough in

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  how much was the ransom?

  gods justice did not require an exact equivalent man-for-man sacrifice between the first adam and jesus, the second adam.

  gods gift required more.

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  TheWonderofYou

  @CalebinFloroda, kind regards.

  Your scripture passages of Ezekiel emphazise that sin is a dsturbance of the connection between man and god, and that god is ready to forgive a repented sinner.

  But its a fact too that jews knew sacrificies for sins. I cant explain yet why the jews had sacrificies in the temple at all? Was that an optional ritual? Animal were killed although the prophets said it was useless? Of some sacrifice was said that they would atone sins of the highpriest and of the people ..oxen.., the asasel was not killed but sent to the desert with the sins that were not atoned, the lamb was a daily sacrifice for sin at the morning whorship in the temple called Tamid sacrifice, we have the pesach passah lamb which was slaughtered and sacrified once a year for blessing and welfare. At Jom kippur the highpriest spelled the divine name but not after s sacrifice and after one person forgave its next.

  So ...was not the jewish religion and its pictures actually the basis for applicstion of "sacrifice"pictures unto jesus?

  what was the addional sense of the sacrificies a the temple, if a sin was forgiven bx god directly

  only for discussion, to come further thx.

  
  
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  If Disfellowshipping pedophiles protects the congregation, what does it do for "Those Outside" they are expelled to?

  by Wasanelder Once in

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  we all know the wt basis for disfellowshipping, (1 corinthians 5:9-13) 9 12 for what do i have to do with judging those outside?

  do you not judge those inside, 13 while god judges those outside?

  remove the wicked [man] from among yourselves.. if removing "the man" is a protection for the congregation and no police are called, what does it say about the witnesses view of the world?

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  As citizen everybody has a liabilty to protect others from harm.

  That is called civil courage, moral courage.
  The elders have to protect others for the collective good.
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  Will Child Abuse Issue Keep Growing Like A Forest Fire?

  by OnTheWayOut in

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  i don't know if a commercial will come up and i can't find this on youtube as it is probably copyright material or i am just not in a good search pattern today.

  anyway, try to view this if you haven't seen it:.

  https://rutube.ru/video/0ba7a3ee7e89dbbc730c4af32032e33b/?ref=logo .

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  TheWonderofYou

  Another case study idea:

  A victim 13 y girl calls the police and tells about what happend and says.

  "I am a 13 y and i am a JW. My daddy kisses me and touches me."

  The police asks: "are you a JW?" If the girl mentions the JW, the police sends instantly the "JW crisis intervention team" to the girl. So the police works together with the JW desaster team. This would be adquate help by the police.

  The ACCC the concentration camp for JW abusers is a therapy center together with a jail-like facility, if a locking away would be the right help at all. There are therapies especially for JW who have a special needs after becoming abusers. So they are not together with the worldly criminals but have a spiritual paradise within this camp. The costs for the institution are carried by the Body.
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  Will Child Abuse Issue Keep Growing Like A Forest Fire?

  by OnTheWayOut in

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  2. scandals

  i don't know if a commercial will come up and i can't find this on youtube as it is probably copyright material or i am just not in a good search pattern today.

  anyway, try to view this if you haven't seen it:.

  https://rutube.ru/video/0ba7a3ee7e89dbbc730c4af32032e33b/?ref=logo .

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  TheWonderofYou

  Permanent abuse commission (handling the abusers)

  This commission is permanently tracing the abusers and watching their progresses, also to help them fighting against their bad behaviour in cases where that is possible.

  There are thousand of victims and thousands of abusers/pedophiles.
  It will be a very very diffiult job to work with them. but if they go to the jail too to find criminals to convert, they should be able to help those ill people too and make separate congregations in camps or recovery centers.

  The permant abusers commission shall work togehter with police.

  Trained sisters or brothers who are policemen, shall educate and help these people to be a helpful part of our society. Even in these abusers/pedophile centers will be spiritual help of the Body. and the communtion with other brothers and "sister?" will help them. Of course family members are allowed to come togehter with the abuser. But not in the frame of the old congregations where they were before daily confronted with victims.
  

  
  
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  Will Child Abuse Issue Keep Growing Like A Forest Fire?

  by OnTheWayOut in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i don't know if a commercial will come up and i can't find this on youtube as it is probably copyright material or i am just not in a good search pattern today.

  anyway, try to view this if you haven't seen it:.

  https://rutube.ru/video/0ba7a3ee7e89dbbc730c4af32032e33b/?ref=logo .

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  TheWonderofYou

  Humor

  Possible "Divine institutional responses for abuses cases" already worked by Tower-laywers and waiting to get put out of the drawers.

  To show our christian compassion with our beloved victims we ask the Body to establish

  - a "crisis intervention team for abuse accusations" that will have first contact with victims and abusers to minimize the first risks after such an accusation

  - a "permant abuse commission" that will trace any accusion, watch the abusers like the police and make final reports to the police.

  - and a establish a new entity called the permanent kingdom recovery works.

  The judicial committee of elders will only form to talk about spiritual matters and consequences for the other congregation members, but shall not act as investigator in an case of abuse.

  The elders duty will be to call as primary action the new crisis intervention team (to help the victim) and the new permanent abuse commission (to watch the offender)

  So the primary action in case of accusation will be done by the crisis intervention team for the victim and simultanousley by the permanent abuse commission, they are acting as civil authorieties in cooperation with the police.

  The local elders sheperding judgical committees are not concerned with the matter at all.

  Details about the crisis intervention team (protecting the victims):

  In case a sheperd elder is aware of an accusion of abuse he has to call professional help namely the "JW crisis intervention team for abuse cases" establihed in each country prospectively.

  The JW crisis intervention team holds the first contact with the victim. It decides together with the victim about the following steps and organize the revovery.

  It will consist of

  - a JW female doctor, worldly educated or if not available a worldly female doctor
  

  - a professionally desaster trained sister for abuse cases, maybe even a former victim now working for the recovery service.

  Preparing and organizing the recovery of the victim is the utmost duty of this new "crisis or desaster team". The victim shall receive all necessary help from within the christian cong. and from professional outside too. As soon as the "Kingdom recovery works" is established all victims will have the possibiliet to begin a new life, thanks God.
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  Will Child Abuse Issue Keep Growing Like A Forest Fire?

  by OnTheWayOut in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i don't know if a commercial will come up and i can't find this on youtube as it is probably copyright material or i am just not in a good search pattern today.

  anyway, try to view this if you haven't seen it:.

  https://rutube.ru/video/0ba7a3ee7e89dbbc730c4af32032e33b/?ref=logo .

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  TheWonderofYou

  Humor:

  All victims are warmely and heartedly invited to apply for therapy at our cost. They will receive a special therapy and a long vacation togheter with their parents at the cost of the Body in the new Recovery works.

  So the Body shows how much he loves the victims in the midst of our congreagtion. The warm atmosphere on this tropical island and brotherly love of the recovery team will help the victims to come back to health.

  The team will consist of professional educated sisters and former victims, this will be the right upbuilding atmosphere on voluntary basis but payed by the society. This will be relaxing place on a beautiful island in the south pacific, near australia.

  The Body will come up for all expenses of course.

  After return to the home congregation the abuser will not be there anymore. We cannot force a victim to be in the same congregation as the abuser. The abusers will visit the new established "abusers concentration congregation camp ACCC".

  The Body shall be obliged to further come up for 10 years of living costs and therapy of each victim.

  We dont wanna hear that investments that have been financed with our hard work and hard safed money are sold.

  Therefore we want that the Body wisely thinks about how to let the money and investments work for the victims that are further working in the kingdom preaching work and thus worth to get every cent and effort.

  If the Body should ask the members to pay yet more money into the kingdom works, 15 % of each cent shall go to the new established kingdom recovery works for abuse cases.

  The more we pay in the better will the help they get. Optional suitable guidance will be presented in printed form too, the congregation will receive written info soon about the new donation scheme.

  
  
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  Will Child Abuse Issue Keep Growing Like A Forest Fire?

  by OnTheWayOut in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i don't know if a commercial will come up and i can't find this on youtube as it is probably copyright material or i am just not in a good search pattern today.

  anyway, try to view this if you haven't seen it:.

  https://rutube.ru/video/0ba7a3ee7e89dbbc730c4af32032e33b/?ref=logo .

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  TheWonderofYou

  A special convention "We apologize" shall be already planned now.
  The Body shall publicy apologize for the happenings like the Pope did, which will be broadcasted on the own TV-channel to reach the whole world with the Bodys' apologize before their brothers and sister worldwide.
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  Will Child Abuse Issue Keep Growing Like A Forest Fire?

  by OnTheWayOut in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i don't know if a commercial will come up and i can't find this on youtube as it is probably copyright material or i am just not in a good search pattern today.

  anyway, try to view this if you haven't seen it:.

  https://rutube.ru/video/0ba7a3ee7e89dbbc730c4af32032e33b/?ref=logo .

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  TheWonderofYou

  Humor and belief in the Holy spirit is the only solution for me to cope with that terrific handling of abuse cases within Gods organisation.

  Here is another proposal about handling abuse cases for the clever Body to consider.

  All victims receive help

  All 1006 victims in Austrialia and all registered e.g. filed victims worldwide (inclusive the filed cases in US - lower than 23720 in any case as WT reported to BBC) will receive adequate help. The body shall already wisely rededicate a major insurance policy for these abuse cases, so instead for paying in for the risk of stormlosses at our muliplse headquarter we now can use the money better for our beloved abuse victims.

  Those victims who were afraid reporting abuse until now because of fear of excommunication like little sheep or lambs are now warmly invited to do it and to register the case at the state commission or at the police instantly.

  
  
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  Will Child Abuse Issue Keep Growing Like A Forest Fire?

  by OnTheWayOut in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i don't know if a commercial will come up and i can't find this on youtube as it is probably copyright material or i am just not in a good search pattern today.

  anyway, try to view this if you haven't seen it:.

  https://rutube.ru/video/0ba7a3ee7e89dbbc730c4af32032e33b/?ref=logo .

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  TheWonderofYou

  Why are there no public commissions in other countries?

  To few victims that stood up, but in US. there are many hmm. US system is more about paying compensations than child welfare? UK? Where is the child welfare?
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  Will Child Abuse Issue Keep Growing Like A Forest Fire?

  by OnTheWayOut in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i don't know if a commercial will come up and i can't find this on youtube as it is probably copyright material or i am just not in a good search pattern today.

  anyway, try to view this if you haven't seen it:.

  https://rutube.ru/video/0ba7a3ee7e89dbbc730c4af32032e33b/?ref=logo .

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  TheWonderofYou

  Why should a former child abuser ever be installed as "bible teacher" (or publisher) who goes from house to house. He should be allowed only to be a "follower" but not a "teacher" never again.

  Another idea would be to create special therapy centers for JW abusers, where they can go to the assemblies and preach to each other, but not from house to house or remaing in the same congregation.