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  Will Child Abuse Issue Keep Growing Like A Forest Fire?

  by OnTheWayOut in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i don't know if a commercial will come up and i can't find this on youtube as it is probably copyright material or i am just not in a good search pattern today.

  anyway, try to view this if you haven't seen it:.

  https://rutube.ru/video/0ba7a3ee7e89dbbc730c4af32032e33b/?ref=logo .

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  TheWonderofYou

  A special convention "We apologize" shall be already planned now.
  The Body shall publicy apologize for the happenings like the Pope did, which will be broadcasted on the own TV-channel to reach the whole world with the Bodys' apologize before their brothers and sister worldwide.
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  Will Child Abuse Issue Keep Growing Like A Forest Fire?

  by OnTheWayOut in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i don't know if a commercial will come up and i can't find this on youtube as it is probably copyright material or i am just not in a good search pattern today.

  anyway, try to view this if you haven't seen it:.

  https://rutube.ru/video/0ba7a3ee7e89dbbc730c4af32032e33b/?ref=logo .

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  TheWonderofYou

  Humor and belief in the Holy spirit is the only solution for me to cope with that terrific handling of abuse cases within Gods organisation.

  Here is another proposal about handling abuse cases for the clever Body to consider.

  All victims receive help

  All 1006 victims in Austrialia and all registered e.g. filed victims worldwide (inclusive the filed cases in US - lower than 23720 in any case as WT reported to BBC) will receive adequate help. The body shall already wisely rededicate a major insurance policy for these abuse cases, so instead for paying in for the risk of stormlosses at our muliplse headquarter we now can use the money better for our beloved abuse victims.

  Those victims who were afraid reporting abuse until now because of fear of excommunication like little sheep or lambs are now warmly invited to do it and to register the case at the state commission or at the police instantly.

  
  
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  Will Child Abuse Issue Keep Growing Like A Forest Fire?

  by OnTheWayOut in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i don't know if a commercial will come up and i can't find this on youtube as it is probably copyright material or i am just not in a good search pattern today.

  anyway, try to view this if you haven't seen it:.

  https://rutube.ru/video/0ba7a3ee7e89dbbc730c4af32032e33b/?ref=logo .

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  TheWonderofYou

  Why are there no public commissions in other countries?

  To few victims that stood up, but in US. there are many hmm. US system is more about paying compensations than child welfare? UK? Where is the child welfare?
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  Will Child Abuse Issue Keep Growing Like A Forest Fire?

  by OnTheWayOut in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i don't know if a commercial will come up and i can't find this on youtube as it is probably copyright material or i am just not in a good search pattern today.

  anyway, try to view this if you haven't seen it:.

  https://rutube.ru/video/0ba7a3ee7e89dbbc730c4af32032e33b/?ref=logo .

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  TheWonderofYou

  Why should a former child abuser ever be installed as "bible teacher" (or publisher) who goes from house to house. He should be allowed only to be a "follower" but not a "teacher" never again.

  Another idea would be to create special therapy centers for JW abusers, where they can go to the assemblies and preach to each other, but not from house to house or remaing in the same congregation.
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  Extrapolation of the Australia child abuse numbers

  by sir82 in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  (let me know if anyone thinks my assumptions are way out of line, or if i've forgotten anything).

  basic facts:.

  the australian royal commission has 1000+ documented cases of child abuse over 65 years.

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  TheWonderofYou

  Arent they even preaching in jails to criminals, arent there even congregation in jails, as lately shown on BORG TV. What after the criminal comes into a normal congregation, will it be mentioned that this bro was a criminal former?
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  How much was Christ's ransom sacrifice? Equal to Adam?

  by jonathan dough in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  how much was the ransom?

  gods justice did not require an exact equivalent man-for-man sacrifice between the first adam and jesus, the second adam.

  gods gift required more.

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  TheWonderofYou

  @calebinfloroda

  another point is that the jewish had the tradition of a suffering messiah:

  - a man of sorrow (gods people or the one messiah?) the suffering servant of god

  - the suffering messiah and the victorious messiah

  - the son of man

  and obviously in the time of Jesus it was thought, or perhaps like in quumran, or like john baptist that a single man, messiah, would suffer, perhaps it was a normal allday-thought in the synagoges of that time? And Jesus believed in it that he was the one, at the lord supper he said: My blood for many, was that a later insertion into the bible text, or was it part of the liturgy of 1st century?

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  How much was Christ's ransom sacrifice? Equal to Adam?

  by jonathan dough in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  how much was the ransom?

  gods justice did not require an exact equivalent man-for-man sacrifice between the first adam and jesus, the second adam.

  gods gift required more.

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  TheWonderofYou

  @calebinfloroda

  I remember that the term "ransom" had the meaning to ransom someone of something,
  it was obviously use by first christians that jesus ransomed people of slavery of the sin or effects of the sin, but not explicit and only an adamic heritated sin. (should be discussed if already the early judaism knew a heritade sin or when the thought appeared)
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  Basic Bible and Religious Vocabulary the Watchtower Never Teaches

  by CalebInFloroda in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  when i began formal study of religion and biblical analysis it was like peeling off layer after layer of dark matter, sticky and putrid that had stuck over my eyes and ears and mouth.

  i learned that under the watchtower one only builds a widening gap between yourself and the world of biblical academia and scholars.

  i used to think i knew a lot because i learned to quote a few scholars or lexicons as a witness.

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  TheWonderofYou

  @CalebInFloroda,

  thank you for everything. Very interesting.
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  How much was Christ's ransom sacrifice? Equal to Adam?

  by jonathan dough in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  how much was the ransom?

  gods justice did not require an exact equivalent man-for-man sacrifice between the first adam and jesus, the second adam.

  gods gift required more.

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  TheWonderofYou

  The letter to the Hebrews shows that the act of divine love was the true atonement of the world. Thus ...no legally ransom nor corresponding ransom necessary. Nor for Adam nor for Adam+mankind. Necessary is love. Jesus death is not equal to Adam, but his love brings much more blessings than a legal understanding of scale like justice.
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  189

  How much was Christ's ransom sacrifice? Equal to Adam?

  by jonathan dough in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  how much was the ransom?

  gods justice did not require an exact equivalent man-for-man sacrifice between the first adam and jesus, the second adam.

  gods gift required more.

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  TheWonderofYou

  The early christians overwhelmed by the happings, the death and resurrection of jesus, looked for answers and they found answers in the scripture and in the tempel sacrifice of the jewish Day of Atonement Jom kippur. The symbols and pictures of the Day of Atonement (asasel, lamb slaugthered....) were connected with the death of Jesus and thus we mean it was a necessary sacrifice.

  Jesus was not sacrified or killed in the temple, like the animal. His blood did not rin over the altar in the temple. Thus his sacrifies can be compared with the jewish sacrifies but has a totally other meaning.

  The death of Jesus is superior,

  1. it is not a sacrificy from man to God, it is a gift from God to men.

  2. Not a human effort by jesus to fulfill any sacrifce-laws of a divine law but showing that all human sacrifices are helpless efforts and worthless.

  3. Jesus death means that salvation comes from God, not salvation from a man to god dying on the altar as sacrice

  4. Since Jesus all temple sacrifices are dispensible and needless because not really helpful, most important was forgiveness and mercy before doing any sacrifice in the temple. God said: I dont need your sacrificies, i want your devotion. A devotion like Jesus, that is what I want from you all and this will save you, not animal sacrifieces.

  5. The matter was that Jesus life has much more value on the scale than Adams perfect life. Because jesus was more than Adam, he was that guy who created the universe and adam.

  6. So Jesus value of life would weigh much much much more on a scale of justice than Adams sins, even the sins of all mankind together, it would never never never be corresponding ransom- but a second to none ransom, in the ransom picture of course, but it is only a picture!

  7. jesus was for the christians the true cosmic day of atonement.

  8. In jesus the idea of redemption and substitute got a new sense. As jesus the laymen he became the only true priest of the world.

  9. His death as criminal (not sacrifice), happened not inside the liturgic play in the jewish temple, where everbody had its role, no but he died outside the jewish safricie-rituals, inmidst of the world - in the public . This was a sign..... that his death had public meaning ... and he died in front of the true temple, before God himself. (Hebrew 9,11....)

  10. His blood and his life was not a objective donation, that could be measured and quantified, it was simple the consequence of and expression of the totality of his devotion and his service.