The books odd old testament are mere collections of old tribal legends, rediscovered by Esra, then revised editited in babylon by theologians and scribes to suit to the situation after the exil, and puublished in jerusalem as only truth , add the dates if you like. The story about moses is surely not written by him. The countless victories of jhwh over cities in canaan are produced legends or theological type stories, to teach that trust in jhwh is more important than fighting. Numbers were ficion, in the old time it was necessary to boast as much as possible, because the people of israel were in reality not so much as the bible reports give impression. Numbers are fiction, the same with "we killed so many........."old storys were written down...to create a big history of a nation.....
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what an interesting find for me
by sowhatnow inim sure to use this the next time i accidentally get sucked into an argument with someone.
im not ever understanding the idea behind any christian religion picking and choosing what they want to believe and follow, then have the nerve to claim they are right, when clearly this is obviously done.
here is a site that shows not only how bloodthirsty and evil the god of the hebrew bible was, but how more ridiculous it is for jws to follow one twisted 'commandment' about eating blood, not only reading it wrong, but then not to do all the other commandments, willingly , do they think they are ancient israelites ?
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Exactly what is the HISTORIC view of the DIVINE or of what being GOD meant long ago?
by TerryWalstrom inthe purpose of this topic is twofold.. first, any who are endlessly fascinated by scholarship, practised by genuine bible scholars, are urged by me to do what i did, subscribe to bart ehrman's blog.
the subscription money (as little as $3.95) goes entirely to charity.. secondarily, by broadening our view of the new testament era on up through two millennia to the present day, our knowledge of all things 'christian' is deepened to include actual knowledge (as opposed to watchtower fabrication.
by this i don't mean to imply you'll fall to your knees and get saved, but rather, you'll simply have facts to inform your present transitional mindset toward whatever end you finally choose.. now .
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http://crossexamined.org/is-the-new-testament-reliable-erhman-refutes-ehrman/
So who is a Bart Ehrman and who is a Bruce Metzger- Follower here?
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The Weed AMONG the wheat ..NOT.."the weed overgrowed the wheat" Misunderstood parabel about anointed and about Gods patience
by TheWonderofYou inreferring to tim3l0rd who posted 12 days ago following message (see below) and the postings in which the "scattered" non organised anointed from 100 ce - 1900 ce are discussed, and the parabel of the weed among the wheat, i found out that it is not necessary at all that a "slave class" of anointed does itself distincts frome the weed , founds a new separated church,declares itself clean and holy, and begins a denunciating and destructive unnecessary harvesting.
the slave class of anointed should have better remained in the church and waited for jesus judgement.basis: .
tim310rd wrote: this goes along with the 2013 wt that changed the definition of the fdsl.
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My 7 arguments against the "Weedlike christian" allegoric misuse
1. John 21,15-17: Jesus asked Peter to have the office of oversight, "Take care of my sheep, feed my lambs"
2. Matthew 16,13-20: The congregation will not be overpowered by the Hades, also not by the weed, church is founded on a massive rock not an unsecure sand.
3. Matthew: 13,30 Jesus described himself as farmer, he would be an awkward farmer if he would not protect the wheat before decay overgrowing, over-poisoning, if weed is evident too is not outside the congreation but in the midst of the congregation. There is a positive undertone, our time is a time of healing, of growth, a time to let the faith grow. The evil is in the whole world, but hope remains.
4. Matthew 26,26 The new covenant was not founded at Lord supper as powerless covenant to be overpowered through apostosy. As the anointed are one body with Jesus, Jesus Christ himself would be overpowered, because the partakers are partaking in his body.
5. Matthew 28,16 Holy Spirit protects congregation as comforter and advocate in difficult times.
6. Matthew 12,15-21 On the side of " gods chosen servant" , the anointed are blessing for all nations. Total apostosy after the apostels death would be no bleassing for the mankind though. God kingdom a kingdom of missuccess?
7. Further the church, as ecclesia, assembly, company, a people of god are described as spiritual body of christ, temple of god. How could he allow an apostasy over hundreds of years?
In this new convenant it is like God fell in love with you and doesnt abondon you anymore, his beloved anointed, he fell in love in the "Wonderofyou".
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Slow motion pioneers
by 1Averagejoe inobserving our local unemployed pioneers and how long they take to get to their first or next call, usually taking the longest route to get to one they know won't be there anyway.
along the way it's gossipy this and that.
pioneers?
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With 17 I made streetservice at the railway station, in front of a bakery, even schoolmates passed by and sometimes a young hot sister .... even after 30 y she greeted me last year, that astonished me. Later I got known for my special street service, not standing but walking around. I threw away many mags cause i bought too much, i worked 2 years only 25 hours for pioneering, but i could not cope with the hours most time.This was depressing for me. The eteneral single life was depressing too.i was sometims euphoric and sometimes depressed. Wanted to be an example, finally what other way is in the truth? Or better work, save money, found a family, but where is the girl, not one to find........ waiting ..................it was a time of doubt too. The blood issue became a monstrious important thing in my mind. I was not happy in pioneering, the whole lifestyle as jdub became senseless.
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objective assessment of imitate jesus convention
by nowwhat? inknowing ttat but still holding on to christian beliefs, was it of any value?
are they finally leaning toward being a more "christian" religion?
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merk ch 16 says all believers of jesus will perform miracles....
by sowhatnow in15 he said to them, go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation.
16 whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.
17 and these signs will accompany those who believe: in my name they will drive out demons; they will speak in new tongues; 18 they will pick up snakes with their hands; and when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all; they will place their hands on sick people, and they will get well.. 19 after the lord jesus had spoken to them, he was taken up into heaven and he sat at the right hand of god.
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well jesus said when he was coming, and we all missed it...
by sowhatnow inmatthew ch 10. .
23 when you are persecuted in one place, flee to another.
truly i tell you, you will not finish going through the towns of israel before the son of man comes.. and i always questioned the wt avoidance on this .
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merk ch 16 says all believers of jesus will perform miracles....
by sowhatnow in15 he said to them, go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation.
16 whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.
17 and these signs will accompany those who believe: in my name they will drive out demons; they will speak in new tongues; 18 they will pick up snakes with their hands; and when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all; they will place their hands on sick people, and they will get well.. 19 after the lord jesus had spoken to them, he was taken up into heaven and he sat at the right hand of god.
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Hi.
Interesting read about this difficult passage.
http://billmuehlenberg.com/2012/06/02/difficult-bible-passages-mark-1617-18/
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Jehovah's witnesses owe much to the catolic church
by TheWonderofYou injehovahs witness owe the bible to the catolic church,the church was the authority that put the bible together, and jehovahs witnesses owe the name jehovah a catolic monk.
jehovash witnesses owe the catolic church the sowing of the field where they are now preaching.. otherwise after leaving the jw i got a much better understanding of christianity and the cc..
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The Weed AMONG the wheat ..NOT.."the weed overgrowed the wheat" Misunderstood parabel about anointed and about Gods patience
by TheWonderofYou inreferring to tim3l0rd who posted 12 days ago following message (see below) and the postings in which the "scattered" non organised anointed from 100 ce - 1900 ce are discussed, and the parabel of the weed among the wheat, i found out that it is not necessary at all that a "slave class" of anointed does itself distincts frome the weed , founds a new separated church,declares itself clean and holy, and begins a denunciating and destructive unnecessary harvesting.
the slave class of anointed should have better remained in the church and waited for jesus judgement.basis: .
tim310rd wrote: this goes along with the 2013 wt that changed the definition of the fdsl.
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flipper2 days ago
I wish there WAS " weed " available among the wheat when we used to attend meetings. Would have made meetings much more tolerable. Peace out, Mr. FlipperYes, the illustration shows simple that we should not think of a congregation full of perfect people, a holy church, with holy people, perfect anointed ones. The "holliness" is not a product of the holy church or the holy anointed, it is a Mercy from God. The "Sanctification'" is a gift of god, it is his love.
So Jesus simple told about the question "Why can a loving and just god tolerate this misuses of power, this failure of behaviour of the popes or misunderstandings of governing bodies, Why can he allow this poison in the congreation" in an illustration.
But Jesus wanted a congregation, he founded a church and he protected it.
Why after all these complications with imperfect men he founded a church?