Posts by Ranchette

i feel cheated because i wouldnt know what its like to experience pregnancy and the birth of my children the way it was meant to be.. a completely natural and joyous event in human life was sabotaged by this religion!.

im sure there are others who know what i mean.. i would be interested to hear stories of others who have had children both inside and out of this organization.. i would like to explain what i mean.. i was raised as a witness and was always expected to be an example.

from as far back as i can remember we were taught that armageddon was just around the corner.

Ranchette

I just wanted to thank everyone for their comments so far because ALL of them help to bring home the point I'm trying to make here.I
started thinking back and it all seems so twisted now.

How did we ever go along with this stuff?
Never again for me!
I will do everything in my power to protect my family from going through what we did.

LDH,
I just wanted to say I'm sorry about your situation too and under the circumstances and for you and your babies sakes I'm glad you are steering clear of your mother right now.

Joy,
I'm glad you bucked the system and made the choices you did.
You told me to be the mother I never had.
That is exactly what I'm doing.I am really enjoying my kids now instead of looking at them as an obstical in the way of my service to God.
I understand about looking at all that wasted time and attention that we could have put in to our kids but we can't change the past so we just have to move foward as you said with our children.

Like you I feel my relationship with them is much better now.

Venice,
I know you guys have pain also because of what this organization does to families. I hope things change for the better soon.

Ranchette

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Having Children Inside vs Outside The Organizatio

by Ranchette in

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i feel cheated because i wouldnt know what its like to experience pregnancy and the birth of my children the way it was meant to be.. a completely natural and joyous event in human life was sabotaged by this religion!.

im sure there are others who know what i mean.. i would be interested to hear stories of others who have had children both inside and out of this organization.. i would like to explain what i mean.. i was raised as a witness and was always expected to be an example.

from as far back as i can remember we were taught that armageddon was just around the corner.

Ranchette

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After being so awful and non supportive of me during my pregnancy with my daughter my mother in-law had the nerve to want to present herself in my hospital room while I was in labor.
I said absolutely not! She wasn't there when I needed her and now she's in my face. She makes me nervous anyway.

She has never forgiven me for this and doesn't understand why I was so mean to her?[8>]
I don't regret that decision.It was my right.

We enjoyed our new baby and settled into an only one-child mindset.
I started regular pioneering when she was 3yrs old. She was a people person and loved it (strange child).

Almost a year into my pioneering I came up pregnant again.
The Society wasn’t harping on this the way they did when I was pregnant the first time but the understanding was the same but the pressure just wasn’t as bad.

I decided to continue pioneering. Sadly I miscarried that child.
That’s a whole other subject so all I’ll say about that is it was devastating mentally, physically and emotionally to both my husband and me.
The coldness of JW family and friends was unbearable during this loss!
They all just basically pretended nothing had happened no condolences or anything!
I got the feeling they all thought it was all for the best.
This was very hurtful too.

I recovered and continued pioneering and went to pioneer school a few weeks later.
Within three months I was pregnant again! No one believed it was an accident so again I was made to feel like a criminal for something was supposed to be a happy and normal occurrence.I cant'help it if I'm Fertal Mertal!

I am not relating these things for sympathy. I just want people to see how wrong and unnatural this religion is.

Never ever let a religion get into your personal life!
If they try they are probably are a cult.

Also relating these things reinforces in me a self-confidence that I’m on the right track now.

Ranchette

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Brother vs Sister Committee Mtg

by ItsJustMe in

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am i reading the elders manual correctly?

a husband is expected to be involved in his wife's committmee meeting but there is no mention of a wife being involved in the husband's.

is this what our experiences were like?

Ranchette

It's my understanding that a husband has a right to find out every gory detail of what his wife has done but if the husband is in a committee meeting the only thing she gets to know is what her husband decides to devuldge to her.
He can lie to her and the elders will not break the confidence with the husband and tell her the truth.She's at her husbands mercy.
This always disgusted me.

Ranchette

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Having Children Inside vs Outside The Organizatio

by Ranchette in

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i feel cheated because i wouldnt know what its like to experience pregnancy and the birth of my children the way it was meant to be.. a completely natural and joyous event in human life was sabotaged by this religion!.

im sure there are others who know what i mean.. i would be interested to hear stories of others who have had children both inside and out of this organization.. i would like to explain what i mean.. i was raised as a witness and was always expected to be an example.

from as far back as i can remember we were taught that armageddon was just around the corner.

Ranchette

So the story continues…
As you can imagine I was very hurt by their reaction and felt I had let everyone down.
My mother didn’t react so dramatically it was more like “well I wished this hadn’t happened till the new system” and just acted as if we had to accept it since we had no other choice. She half jokingly half seriously said she was too young to be a grandmother.

Throughout my pregnancy neither side of the family acted very excited.
My husbands mother had nothing much to say or do with me unless it was to tell me horror stories about the births of her two children.
I had survived my wedding night, which I had feared so much, and now I was facing one of the biggest fears of my life next to persecution! Having a baby!

In 1986 we had a district assembly. It was obvious I was pregnant by that time and they gave a horrible talk, one of the worst I had ever heard about why we should not have children in this system. I was mortified! I was sitting on floor level and felt like every one was looking at me as the bad example!
The talk was so strong that I leaned over to my husband and said, “What do they expect me to do, get an abortion?”
I should have had parents and in-laws who were eat up with excitement for the arrival of this child and I shouldn’t have felt one ounce of guilt. I should have been excited too. Instead I was scared to death, ashamed, and guilt .

Now I am ashamed to realize we allowed this to happen to us.

When I finally had my baby daughter it was the first little bit of happiness I had seen out of the grandparents. They couldn’t resist the cuteness.
I was wondering where they all were when I needed them so much.

A damper was put on this very personal event in our lives. I will never forgive this organization for getting involved in our personal lives.

I want so much more for my children.
I want to be the doting grandparent and support my kids all the way in the future.

I know some of you are having children outside of the organization and I hope you cherish each and every moment and appreciate your freedom.

The old-timers still hold to these views and they wonder what in the world this new generation of liberal witnesses can be thinking by having children on purpose.

Both my children were born under the strict views and I don’t want any more so I will just enjoy your stories and be there for my kids when they need me.
That is unless I have another accident.

Ranchette

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Having Children Inside vs Outside The Organizatio

by Ranchette in

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i feel cheated because i wouldnt know what its like to experience pregnancy and the birth of my children the way it was meant to be.. a completely natural and joyous event in human life was sabotaged by this religion!.

im sure there are others who know what i mean.. i would be interested to hear stories of others who have had children both inside and out of this organization.. i would like to explain what i mean.. i was raised as a witness and was always expected to be an example.

from as far back as i can remember we were taught that armageddon was just around the corner.

Ranchette

I feel cheated because I wouldn’t know what it’s like to experience pregnancy and the birth of my children the way it was meant to be.

A completely natural and joyous event in human life was sabotaged by this religion!
I’m sure there are others who know what I mean.
I would be interested to hear stories of others who have had children both inside and out of this organization.

I would like to explain what I mean.
I was raised as a witness and was always expected to be an example. From as far back as I can remember we were taught that Armageddon was just around the corner. This was not the time to be having children. Instead we were to put the kingdom first.

My husband and I discussed it and agreed that we would not have children till the new system. That’s what Jah, the organization and our parents wanted and so we decided this was best.

Those who planned to get pregnant were viewed as immature spiritually. I would hear them say, “Why in the world would someone bring a child into this would knowing that we are living in the last days!?”

I remember one time when I had been married for a year or so confiding in my mother in law that I wanted a baby. She acted like I had a disease that would pass in time if I would just go on with my life serving Jehovah and ignore this desire.

Well she was right, but only because I thought this is what God wanted of me.

After pushing this natural desire away I accidentally became pregnant after about 4 ½ years. My husband and I were in shock and I didn’t have the desire for children at that time because I had successfully extricated that desire.

We were scared and in shock but decided to accept this since we had no choice.
We decided we wanted to be happy about it and wanted to share our happy news with our family. We went to a second hand store and bought a cute pair of tiny shoes and gift-wrapped them.

We went to my husband’s parents home and told his them we had a surprise for them. My husband gave the present to his mother and she unwrapped it and when she saw the shoes she started whaling “OH NO PLEASE DON”T LET THIS BE TRUE”!!!!! And proceeded to cry.

So much for a happy family event!!

She acted like we were announcing a death instead of the birth of her first grandchild.Disgusting!

I have much more to share about having children in this org but I will leave you with this for now.

Ranchette

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Why I called my parents 'jackasses'

by LDH in

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* http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=15355&site=3.

in the above thread i referred to my parents as 'jackasses' and even 'nitwits'.. i was taken to task by a dear friend who read my words and was hurt by them!.

so i will attempt to explain myself without making any apologies, because he was right--i should not have referred to them in that manner.. gozz, your words to me were on target.

Ranchette

LDH,

When I saw this I didn't think any less of you.I knew you were just very frustrated and didn't really want to show disrespect towards them.

I feel equally frustrated at my parents although for different reasons but still related to the JW mindset.
Hang in there.

Ranchette

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J.W's gonna see Harry P ?

by wheelwithinwheel in

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harry potter is getting great reviews.

looks pretty satanic!

how many witnesses are gonna go see the movie?

Ranchette

Harry Potter would be off limits to any good JW. Some who are on the edge anyway will probably see it or read the books.

My JW niece was given the first edition copies of all the Harry Potter books by her grandmother. They were expensive and will be valuable in the future.
What do these JWs do with these demonized books? Burn them? NO
Throw them away? NO
They donated them to the local library!!

When we were still JWs we thought Harry Potter was awful and dangerous for children and couldn't figure out why any parent would let their kids read those books!
My daughter was checking them out at the school library and reading them against our will. We were appalled and lectured her on the danger of demons!

Now we cant wait for the movie and don't mind her reading the books.
No more worries about demons.
What a relief it is to be free of those silly superstitions!

Ranchette

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Help finding a movie

by one in

rarely i watch movies but last saturday while at the supermarket watched two minutes of a movie.. related to ai, virtual reality etc.

a guy was seated on sophisticated chair and received somekind of electric shock, or "soft program" uploaded on his head.. after that everything he experienced was not real.

there was more, but do any of you know what movie is that?.

Ranchette

It must have been The Matrix.
An awsome movie,a must see!

Ranchette