Of course I meant to say "so the ones who endure second death" in line 5-6
JoenB75
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Watchtower View on Resurrection - All Panda Bears?
by Sea Breeze ina recent wt study was titled: “the resurrection reveals god’s love, wisdom and patience.
apparently there was a lot of speculation on how those resurrected will be needing to be taught god’s ways in last weeks wt study.
does anyone know how the watchtower tries to weasel out of the "resurrection of damnation"?.
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Watchtower View on Resurrection - All Panda Bears?
by Sea Breeze ina recent wt study was titled: “the resurrection reveals god’s love, wisdom and patience.
apparently there was a lot of speculation on how those resurrected will be needing to be taught god’s ways in last weeks wt study.
does anyone know how the watchtower tries to weasel out of the "resurrection of damnation"?.
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JoenB75
Second death implies a resurrection inbetween first and second death, although we never read of the term first death. Jude 12 speaks of those in the congregation "twice dead". So the ones who endure first death can hardly be mere unbelievers rejecting the gospel. They have to be fallen from some higher state of favor. JW would of course argue this refers to those knowing the wonders of JW life and then rejecting it. A more contextual solution would be that it refers to a people who have been given special favor and then fall away. In Preterism we would immidiately think of the destruction of Jerusalem in AD 70 and judgment on the chosen nation. Of course nothing in the Bible says they will be not ever be redeemed from this judgment but that would from the perspective of the Bible writers be far into the future .
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Watchtower View on Resurrection - All Panda Bears?
by Sea Breeze ina recent wt study was titled: “the resurrection reveals god’s love, wisdom and patience.
apparently there was a lot of speculation on how those resurrected will be needing to be taught god’s ways in last weeks wt study.
does anyone know how the watchtower tries to weasel out of the "resurrection of damnation"?.
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JoenB75
Everapostate,
Im sorry to hear that. A lot of sad stuff going on in the JW religion. And it seems to all fall and stand with the faith in the JW leadership and their spin on the bible, not really the bible as such. They believe the the JW leadership knows the truth all until something makes them see the leadership with other eyes
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Watchtower View on Resurrection - All Panda Bears?
by Sea Breeze ina recent wt study was titled: “the resurrection reveals god’s love, wisdom and patience.
apparently there was a lot of speculation on how those resurrected will be needing to be taught god’s ways in last weeks wt study.
does anyone know how the watchtower tries to weasel out of the "resurrection of damnation"?.
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JoenB75
EverApostate
It is ok dear apostate 🤭
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Watchtower View on Resurrection - All Panda Bears?
by Sea Breeze ina recent wt study was titled: “the resurrection reveals god’s love, wisdom and patience.
apparently there was a lot of speculation on how those resurrected will be needing to be taught god’s ways in last weeks wt study.
does anyone know how the watchtower tries to weasel out of the "resurrection of damnation"?.
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JoenB75
EverApostate,
Sure you will say so, naughty you. My point was that the context of 1 Corinthians 15 is quite different to Lazarus.
On a different note, I dont think JW apply 1 Corinthians 15 to the ordinary folk, just the 144,000
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Watchtower View on Resurrection - All Panda Bears?
by Sea Breeze ina recent wt study was titled: “the resurrection reveals god’s love, wisdom and patience.
apparently there was a lot of speculation on how those resurrected will be needing to be taught god’s ways in last weeks wt study.
does anyone know how the watchtower tries to weasel out of the "resurrection of damnation"?.
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JoenB75
Ses breeze, I recall the Bible students /JWs reject the kjv translation of damnation in John 5. Instead they favor judgment and then has that second chance spin on what goes on in the judgment that we dont find in the Bible. In Preterist circles it is much debated what the ressurection means. Even partial Preterists argue that the ressurection in Daniel 12 refers to judgment on the covenant nation AD 30-70☺️. Almost all kinds of interpretators think Ezekiel 37 is a spiritual ressurection
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Watchtower View on Resurrection - All Panda Bears?
by Sea Breeze ina recent wt study was titled: “the resurrection reveals god’s love, wisdom and patience.
apparently there was a lot of speculation on how those resurrected will be needing to be taught god’s ways in last weeks wt study.
does anyone know how the watchtower tries to weasel out of the "resurrection of damnation"?.
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JoenB75
EverApostate,
1 Corinthians 15 addresses imo the ressurection of the individual soul into heaven. The writer either forgot the people raised in old testament times and at the advent of Christ or he is not claiming those guys had the ressurection into incorruptibility and immortality he talks about. The new testament never claims Lazarus became immortal and heaven going when raised.
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1914 a doctrinal lie that created an entire religion the Jehovah's Witnesses
by Finkelstein inwhen you think about it the jws was foundationaly created upon a single core doctrine which was created close to a 100 years ago, that is the doctrinal year of 1914 .. the leader(s) of the ibsa in 1919 proclaimed that jehovah had selectively chosen them or him as it were by j. rutherford, they also self identified themselves as the anointed class the faithful slave.. from all of these expressive endeavors a new religion sprung up eventually calling themselves the jehovah's witnesses.
years and decades followed where more and more people were lured into the faith making themselves subservient devoted members as well, some also identifying themselves as the anointed class.
the jws proclaimed through their leaders (gb) that they were true loyal witnesses to jehovah's will and purpose, but were they really ?
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JoenB75
I think in the green book celebrating jw past through their lenses, a faithful sister was praised for being steadfast while not being able to explain the 1914 doctrine. Like they promoted that it was too complicated to wrap your mind around while it really is not
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Being Removed From Facebook and Twitter
by minimus ini have a very good friend who has been banned from facebook simply because he makes remarks positive about president trump and negative toward the democratic party.
he has tried to get back on facebook and it appears there is no way for him to return.
people are being removed from social media platforms simply because they have a different political view.
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JoenB75
Well come on with a replacement to Facebook and Im off. But no restriction on free speech this time ☺️
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Being Removed From Facebook and Twitter
by minimus ini have a very good friend who has been banned from facebook simply because he makes remarks positive about president trump and negative toward the democratic party.
he has tried to get back on facebook and it appears there is no way for him to return.
people are being removed from social media platforms simply because they have a different political view.
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JoenB75
One example; I got my first seven days for saying a certain nation's people were stupid for voting in their particular leader. That was hate speech 😁😁