Personally I am currently not sure if we are in the Millennium (Amillennialism and Preterist Premillennialism), if it is past (Transmillenialism and Preterist Premillennialism) or future (Postmillenialism). It is not of that much relevance to me. Revelation 20 is so abused. I believe we are in the Meditorial Kingdom for sure ☺️
JoenB75
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William Miller
by lepavoux in" this is the man who made it all happen" type this in.. this is how the watchtower organization began!
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William Miller
by lepavoux in" this is the man who made it all happen" type this in.. this is how the watchtower organization began!
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JoenB75
I have heard some say Russell's millenium teaching came from Masonite teachings. It sure as Hell did not come from the Bible.
You probably mean Premillennialism. Russell and JW are premill along with many other Doomsday preachers. Things turn worse and worse and then one day Christ shows up, do some judging and then the millennium starts. At the end of the millennium the great judgment. Amillennialism is the traditionel Catholic and Protestant take where Matt 28:18 marked the beginning of the millennium, the mediator reign. Things will turn worse and worse because man is bad and then one day the millennium ends and an angry Christ shows up and judges. Postmillennialism is the same except things are expected to turn out good with a yet future millennium with miracles and revivals and then one day it ends and Christ shows up and judges. There are other forms like Transmillenialism and Premillennial Preterism
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William Miller
by lepavoux in" this is the man who made it all happen" type this in.. this is how the watchtower organization began!
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JoenB75
One important thang in Bible reading is audience relevance. We may believe the Bible is written for us but it certainly isnt written to us. We are reading someone elses mail. Whatever the Bible says we have to remember the original audience. I am not sure Russell / Rutherford / Miller etc paid attention in audience relevance class
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How do JWs view the Ransom?
by Vanderhoven7 inlooking for a simple explanation of the ransom from a jws perspective..
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JoenB75
Yes LV 101, much was changed by Rutherford but you have to go into details to understand it. In Russell's view most of mankind was not spiritually mature, did not receive enough light or were alert enough to "run for the high calling" / 144,000. There was a secondary heavenly class too. The ransom allowed the majority to get their chance in the millennium / golden age freed from the sin of Father Adam. Only a small number was in Russell's view so bad that God would not allow them that chance. So a lot of change
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How do JWs view the Ransom?
by Vanderhoven7 inlooking for a simple explanation of the ransom from a jws perspective..
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JoenB75
One of the early things I noted early was way off is the Russell/Rutherford notion that the grand judgment does not concern deeds in this life but deeds the non144,000 do in an afterlife idealistic school. that is very clearly contradicted in 2 cor 5:10 and heb 9:27 and of course the millennium in Revelation 20 contains no such school. It is quite amazing the followers accepted this alternation of the Bible record
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How do JWs view the Ransom?
by Vanderhoven7 inlooking for a simple explanation of the ransom from a jws perspective..
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JoenB75
Yes they screwed up the story, especially the wicked Rutherford. It is clear pre fallen Adam and Eve lived by obedience and did not have knowledge of good and evil. The agenda behind making them perfect is equally clear
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Does Anybody Here Sympathize With The Looters That Cause Destruction?
by minimus ini realize some here are diehard democrats.
whether you are democrat, republican or independent, do you support any of these looters that cause mayhem and destruction for their cause?
i have heard some people sympathize with these law breakers saying they understand why they do what they do and leave it at that.. of course i wonder how they would feel if their own property was burnt or stolen or destroyed..
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JoenB75
I support the proper use of force to bring rioters and looters to their knees and to justice
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How do JWs view the Ransom?
by Vanderhoven7 inlooking for a simple explanation of the ransom from a jws perspective..
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JoenB75
I remember Romans 6:7 is used a lot. Russell believed that almost anyone would be raised to a first real chance of obtaining life along with many of the fallen angels thanks to the ransom setting the record straight. Few exceptions were some truly bad guys and Satan himself, his post millenium rebellion is seen as evidence of his true badness. Rutherford added many to the no list, such as Adam and Eve, those who refused JW (the judgment of the sheep and goats in his view) JWs that did not endure under persecution and those who died by God's hand in Bible times, such as pharaoh and his drowned army
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The last part of the last days 1967
by Fadeaway1962 ints lett just repeated from this watchtower.
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JoenB75
Truthbknown, last days of old covenant Israel. We have been in the new heavens and earth since, spiritually speaking 😁
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What is Causing This Sudden Increase in Crime / Racial Tension???
by RubaDub inyes, there has been crime as long as we can remember.
under 8 years of obama, there was crime.
under 8 years of bush the younger, there was crime.
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JoenB75
Joe Biden appears to be very creepy alternative as well