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  Daniel was wrong about the fate of the King of the North…..and so is the WT & others

  by deegee in

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  the king of the north, that is, the king of the country geographically located north of judea/palestine was identified by the actual events of history as the seleucids of syria, in particular, the reign of antiochus iv epiphanes.

  the king of the south, that is, the king of the country geographically located south of judea/palestine was identified by the actual events of history as the ptolemies of egypt.

  daniel 11:40-45 prophesied that antiochus (king of the north) would make war once again against egypt, and would die on the coast of palestine “between the sea and the holy mountain”.

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  deegee

  Problems posting.

  Bunji,

  Sorry, I should have provided more details, I was trying to make my OP as brief and to the point as possible.

  The "no third war" refers to the wars specifically led by Antiochus IV Epiphanes, the Seleucid king of Syria, against Egypt and do not include those fought by his predecessors.

  Daniel accurately referred to two campaigns which Antiochus IV Epiphanes led against Egypt. Daniel then made an intelligent guess based on Antiochus IV Epiphanes' military successes and predicted that Antiochus IV Epiphanes would invade Egypt a third time, conquer it and revel in its riches. It is this third war that did not happen.

  To your point about the total 6 wars between the Ptolemaic and Seleucid dynasties:

  The following source compares actual history with the so-called "prophecies" in Daniel 11 regarding the wars between the dynasties. It provides a good comparison but doesn't state whether Daniel failed to mention any of the wars which actually occurred according to history. I will have to research that further:

  http://web.archive.org/web/20061022015215/http://www.infidels.org/library/

  magazines/tsr/1998/5/985good.html
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  Daniel was wrong about the fate of the King of the North…..and so is the WT & others

  by deegee in

  1. watchtower
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  the king of the north, that is, the king of the country geographically located north of judea/palestine was identified by the actual events of history as the seleucids of syria, in particular, the reign of antiochus iv epiphanes.

  the king of the south, that is, the king of the country geographically located south of judea/palestine was identified by the actual events of history as the ptolemies of egypt.

  daniel 11:40-45 prophesied that antiochus (king of the north) would make war once again against egypt, and would die on the coast of palestine “between the sea and the holy mountain”.

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  Daniel was wrong about the fate of the King of the North…..and so is the WT & others

  by deegee in

  1. watchtower
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  the king of the north, that is, the king of the country geographically located north of judea/palestine was identified by the actual events of history as the seleucids of syria, in particular, the reign of antiochus iv epiphanes.

  the king of the south, that is, the king of the country geographically located south of judea/palestine was identified by the actual events of history as the ptolemies of egypt.

  daniel 11:40-45 prophesied that antiochus (king of the north) would make war once again against egypt, and would die on the coast of palestine “between the sea and the holy mountain”.

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  Daniel was wrong about the fate of the King of the North…..and so is the WT & others

  by deegee in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the king of the north, that is, the king of the country geographically located north of judea/palestine was identified by the actual events of history as the seleucids of syria, in particular, the reign of antiochus iv epiphanes.

  the king of the south, that is, the king of the country geographically located south of judea/palestine was identified by the actual events of history as the ptolemies of egypt.

  daniel 11:40-45 prophesied that antiochus (king of the north) would make war once again against egypt, and would die on the coast of palestine “between the sea and the holy mountain”.

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  deegee

  Bungi,

  Is the total of the six wars fought between the Ptolemaic and Seleucid dynasties mentioned in Daniel?

  How many wars between the two dynasties does Daniel mention?
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  Daniel was wrong about the fate of the King of the North…..and so is the WT & others

  by deegee in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the king of the north, that is, the king of the country geographically located north of judea/palestine was identified by the actual events of history as the seleucids of syria, in particular, the reign of antiochus iv epiphanes.

  the king of the south, that is, the king of the country geographically located south of judea/palestine was identified by the actual events of history as the ptolemies of egypt.

  daniel 11:40-45 prophesied that antiochus (king of the north) would make war once again against egypt, and would die on the coast of palestine “between the sea and the holy mountain”.

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  deegee

  The king of the north, that is, the king of the country geographically located north of Judea/Palestine was identified by the actual events of history as the Seleucids of Syria, in particular, the reign of Antiochus IV Epiphanes.

  The king of the south, that is, the king of the country geographically located south of Judea/Palestine was identified by the actual events of history as the Ptolemies of Egypt.

  Daniel 11:40-45 prophesied that Antiochus (king of the north) would make war once again against Egypt, and would die on the coast of Palestine “between the sea and the holy mountain”. This event did not happen: there was no third war and Antiochus (king of the north) did not die in Palestine, he died in Persia. This is a failed prophecy by Daniel.

  The prediction concerning Antiochus’ (king of the north) final battle and place of death in Palestine (Daniel 11:45) was inaccurate, and so we know that this "prophecy" was completed before the news of his death in Persia in late 164 BCE reached Jerusalem.

  The failed prophecy of Daniel 11:40-45 is one of the giveaways that the book of Daniel was completed before 164 BCE, during the Maccabean period and that the author of Daniel was writing history and not prophecy.

  The author of Daniel also claimed that the end of history would occur after the death of Antiochus (king of the north) in Palestine. This also did not happen.

  The WT however claims that the identity of the king of the north will be changing over time. They also claim that the king of the north is the same as "Gog of Magog" in Ezekiel. Others have claimed that China is a more plausible contender for the position than Russia and there are other theories such as Christianity vs Islam, neoNazism etc.

  Where in Daniel 11 does it state that the identity of the king of the north will be changing over time and that this king is the same as "Gog of Magog" in Ezekiel?
  

  Where in Daniel 11 does it state that the king of the north will be China, Islam or neoNazism?
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  John Ceder used my satire about annual meeting for real

  by Gorbatchov in

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  sorry guys,.

  the gorby satire fake report of the annual meeting with the coincidence about russia, is used for real in john cedars yt channel.. please concider it for well prepared satire.. and not much more.. g..

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  deegee

  Now, now, now. Since Jesus’ return is invisible a la Russell why not also just put a spin on the Paradise and make it invisible too?

  LOL.

  This must be the funniest thing I've ever seen on JWN & JWSurvey.
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  At least 2 of current Governing body are not honest about even their names.

  by Not_Culty in

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  many don't know that at least 2 of current governing body are not honest about even their name.

  mark sanderson is actually douglas mark sanderson.

  stephen lett is mark stephen lett .

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  lol sir82!
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  World Powers

  by Fred Franztone in

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  jws have a unique interpretation of the seven kings of revelation.

  they of course refer to roman rulers, but the wt believe they represent certain 'world powers'.. the problem with these world powers is how arbitrary they are, not to mention the fact that none of them truly were world powers, in fact none of them even covered the entirety of europe, and the anglo-american world power isn't even a distinct entity.. then there are all of the world powers that are left out for convenience, many of which were far bigger.

  the mongolian empire and the ottoman empire were both bigger than half of the chosen world powers, such as medo-persia.. has anyone ever taken this topic up with jws?

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  deegee

  I think JWs? and some Christians believe that Daniel’s symbology contains a reference to a Medo-Persian empire. However, if I’m not mistaken, according to historians an amalgamated Medo-Persian empire never existed.
  
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  World Powers

  by Fred Franztone in

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  jws have a unique interpretation of the seven kings of revelation.

  they of course refer to roman rulers, but the wt believe they represent certain 'world powers'.. the problem with these world powers is how arbitrary they are, not to mention the fact that none of them truly were world powers, in fact none of them even covered the entirety of europe, and the anglo-american world power isn't even a distinct entity.. then there are all of the world powers that are left out for convenience, many of which were far bigger.

  the mongolian empire and the ottoman empire were both bigger than half of the chosen world powers, such as medo-persia.. has anyone ever taken this topic up with jws?

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  deegee

  According to WT publications "world powers" in JW land means those found in the Bible who have oppressed, opposed, supported, aided etc God's chosen people the Israelites because either God allowed it or they were God's instruments or it was somehow a part of the divine plan.

  Not all world powers fall into this category of course and so if you don't know world history you would conclude (as I did when I was a young brainwashed JW) that the only world powers to have existed are those mentioned in the Bible and by the JWs.
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  Considering God's 'failure'

  by TerryWalstrom in

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  jehovah's "failure".

  we humans never seem to consider god in terms of anything but power and ability.

  the idea of 'failure' is preposterous.. .

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  deegee

  Terry,

  Maybe God made humans inferior for a reason – he did it for his entertainment. The re-engineered/afterlife/next life existence is rather boring. It’s by far much more entertaining to have an existence with a lot of drama, mayhem, mishaps, thrills, spills, disaster, tragedy………..our inferior existence is God’s blockbuster.

  God hasn't failed, he's just having fun at our expense.