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  Casting Out DEMONS

  by Cold Steel in

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  2. beliefs

  if someone believes they're being plagued with demons or they have problems with hauntings, things moving by themselves or hearing voices or footsteps, who they gonna call?

  i know they take demons very seriously, so who in the congregation do they go to when they need to bring out the big guns?

  do they try to handle it themselves or is this a job for the elders?

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  deegee

  .............who they gonna call?

  Ghost Busters of course!
  

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9We2XsVZfc
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  John's Two Witnesses...Who Are/Were They?

  by Cold Steel in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  do the scripture writers at hq allow for any scriptural exegesis that recognizes the state of israel as fulfillment of ancient prophecy?

  isaiah, for example, writes: .

  and it shall come to pass in that day, that the lord shall set his hand again the second time to recover the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from assyria, and from egypt, and from pathros, and from cush, and from elam, and from shinar, and from hamath, and from the islands of the sea.

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  When the Bible is read properly, it is clear that all of the restoration prophecies written by Jeremiah, Ezekiel etc were written for an expected fulfillment during the time that the nation of Israel existed as a so-called theocracy. When these restoration prophecies went unfulfilled, instead of admitting this, Christianity has instead opted to project the fulfillment of these failed prophecies into the future, with every generation giving the failed restoration prophecies (starting with Daniel by the way) a contemporary reinterpretation.

  The hallmark of a true prophecy is that it should not allow for a multitude of possible fulfillments in every generation, otherwise it is just a vague and ambiguous musing.
  
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  Was It Really Mental Illness or Was It The Demons?

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  we supposedly had more than a few “demonized” people in our congregation.

  they would hear voices or feel internal punishment within their souls.

  the answer was always—-these people were affected by the demons and they needed counseling!.

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  deegee

  A person doesn't have to have full blown schizophrenia in order to hear voices, see visions etc. This can happen to "high-functioning" people as well.

  The misfiring of the circuits in the brain that underlie language, hearing and speaking can cause some people to have transient hallucinations, and some people to have a more persistent, life-disrupting illness like schizophrenia:

  http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2015-05-28/hearing-voices-in-your-head-more-common-than-thought-study/6504704?pfmredir=sm:

  http://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapsychiatry/fullarticle/2298236
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  Was It Really Mental Illness or Was It The Demons?

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  we supposedly had more than a few “demonized” people in our congregation.

  they would hear voices or feel internal punishment within their souls.

  the answer was always—-these people were affected by the demons and they needed counseling!.

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  deegee

  Mental health practitioners have observed that in patients with a diagnosis of schizophrenia, often delusions exist that either exalt the status of the patient (eg, the patient is God's representative/messenger on earth) or denigrate the patient (eg, God or demons is sending messages to the patient specifying his/her sinfulness and need to be punished/purged/cleansed).

  When people are raised on the Bible they learn that God or demons influence everything so they are inclined to believe that they are having a religious experience (good or bad) when these things are happening to them. But this belief could in fact be masking a person's mental health issues.

  ALSO, deep, strong, intense meditation in an effort to draw close to God can in fact trigger psychosis - GOOGLE: "Meditation-induced psychosis".

  
  
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  Was It Really Mental Illness or Was It The Demons?

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  we supposedly had more than a few “demonized” people in our congregation.

  they would hear voices or feel internal punishment within their souls.

  the answer was always—-these people were affected by the demons and they needed counseling!.

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  deegee

  Raped by the demons, huh? ----minimus

  A.K.A. Incubus and succubus attack:

  https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/sleepless-in-america/200809/incubus-attack
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  In need of your advice. November broadcasting 2017

  by pleaseresearch in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  so my mum asked me to watch the broadcast and to my astonishment i got through it without smashing my screen haha.. so i let her know what liars they are for saying they would never deliberately distort a quotation.. she is ok for me to give her some printouts of watchtower material where this has in fact happened, contry to what they say.. where should i start and what would be your best link, or way to approach this.

  i think this is a good opportunity of waking her up, if she can see that the broadcast has lied to her, she won't be happy.. any advice is you can give is so appreciated.. thanks everyone..

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  deegee

  Check these out. Hope you'll find something in there that helps.

  http://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/misquotes-deception-lies.php

  https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=K1T7porEjmQ

  http://www.debunking-christianity.com/2012/12/the-use-and-abuse-of-scholarship-by.html?m=1

  http://www.jwchanges.com/how-to-use/

  https://jwawaken.com/2016/06/08/what-is-quote-mining/

  http://jwsurvey.org/cedars-blog/watchtower-again-misquotes-scientist-to-argue-against-evolution-and-this-time-its-personal

  http://jwsurvey.org/cedars-blog/jw-org-does-partial-u-turn-over-awake-magazine-rama-singh-misquote

  https://www.inquisitr.com/1766536/biology-professor-creationist-magazine/

  http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2015/04/20/controversial-quotation-quietly-removed-from-jehovahs-witnesses-publication-without-apology-or-retraction/

  (The magazines with the biology professor's misquote:

  http://avoidjw.org/magazines/)

  http://avoidjw.org/en/truth-or-lies/quote-misquote/

  https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/37mbl4/by_evolution_we_mean_macroevolutionapes_turning/

  https://m.imgur.com/YvbzwUy

  http://home.comcast.net/~docbob1/misquotes.htm

  http://www.paradisecafediscussions.net/showthread.php?tid=2357

  http://corior.blogspot.com/2006/02/how-watchtower-distorts-writings-of_15.html

  http://ebedabodah.blogspot.com/2009/07/out-of-context.html

  http://corior.blogspot.com/2006/02/misquotations-in-creation-book.html

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  https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5667328335282176/words-omitted-from-watchtower-article :

  https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/469880003/scholastic-dishonesty-watchtower

  https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/302230001/am-looking-audios-julius-mantey

  Julius Mantey, Greek Hebrew scholar quoted as supporting the New World Translation (NWT). He is a firm Trinitarian and was outraged when he found out.

  https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/224416/june-2012-citation-ephraim-stern

  https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/214069/something-watchtower-left-out

  https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/205034/citation-1-soncino-commentary-on-ezekiel

  https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/189202/examples-wts-mishandling-medical-authorities-on-blood

  https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=t_IYc8fiKKY

  
  
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  Understanding Armageddon

  by Jayk in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  so will armageddon be the biblical one we read about or is it probably going to be a government ban on christians that we will perceive as armageddon?

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  If the world is going to end it won't be by means of divine intervention it will be man's doing. The deadline for the world to end by means of divine intervention has long passed (it was supposed to have ended during Jesus' generation).

  World events have no Biblical significance. If every generation that comes along can read Biblical significance into world events then that tells you that Bible prophecies are VAGUE & AMBIGUOUS. The hallmark of a true prophecy is that it must be specific to the point where it can have only ONE fulfillment not many possible fulfillments in every generation.
  
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  Understanding Armageddon

  by Jayk in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  so will armageddon be the biblical one we read about or is it probably going to be a government ban on christians that we will perceive as armageddon?

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  deegee

  Armageddon could have been avoided:

  Since it's all about killing humans, if God could almost wipe out everyone human being during the Flood & plans on destroying humans again at Armageddon then why not just destroy Adam & Eve before they had any children and start over again, and keep starting over if necessary, until he got the perfect couple, since it's all about killing humans?

  There would be less collateral damage. All of the human suffering, all of the wars and diseases could have been avoided etc etc

  But I guess God can only be satisfied if there's some drama.
  
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  Understanding Armageddon

  by Jayk in

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  so will armageddon be the biblical one we read about or is it probably going to be a government ban on christians that we will perceive as armageddon?

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  deegee

  @ a watcher

  If the Bible is to be believed, where in the Bible does it state that:

  The government ban on Christians will happen before Armageddon ?
  
  
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  JW.ORG turning into an evangelical clone

  by Pistoff in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i clicked this link to the november 2017 tvjw video, in it they defend their 2 witness policy, though, gutlessly, they do not mention it in the context of child sexual abuse.. anyway, check out the christian jehovian song at 57:06, ugh, makes me nauseous.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksz0qiftsok&feature=youtu.be&t=53m25s.

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  deegee

  When we take time to reflect on the beauties of creation, it becomes clear that there is a higher intelligence who made all these things. ------@ 1:01:17 to 1:01:28

  So then, what do the following examples tell us about God?

  - A hoard of locusts which strips the foliage bare and destroys all of someone's crops?

  - Animals who engage in necrophilia, murder, cannibalism and a myriad of other horrific acts.

  - Creatures like the desert wasp that survive only by laying their eggs inside another creature so that their young are hatched inside the living body of this creature and eat it alive from the inside out?

  - Male sea otters are known to hold otter pups hostage until they are paid a ransom of food by the mother. They are also known to commonly rape baby seals to death, holding their heads underwater. This activity also happens to kill around one tenth of the female otters that they mate with. Even after the seal pup is dead it is not uncommon for otters to continue raping its decaying corpse for up to a week later.

  - Dolphins are some of the most intelligent creatures in the animal kingdom. Their cute looks betray their rapey, murderous nature. Bottle nose dolphins are known to assault porpoises for no reason leaving them for dead. Porpoises do not pose any threat to dolphins and they do not compete for food or territory so this activity is undertaken for nefarious purposes.

  Dolphins frequently kill baby dolphins in order to provoke the mother back into oestrus, a practice which is more common in the animal kingdom than you might think. Male dolphins gang up and then isolate a female, taking turns raping her. If there are no females around, another male becomes the victim.

  - Reports from Antarctic expeditions in the early 20th century on the sexual behaviours of penguins were deemed too extreme for publication. When the information was finally released it showed that penguins frequently engage in necrophilia, sexual coercion, sexual and physical abuse of chicks as well as homosexual and auto-erotic behaviour.

  - Margays are South American ocelots. They mimic the sound of baby monkeys in distress, in order to lure adult monkeys into their clutches.

  - Not to forget our closest cousins, the chimpanzees. Infanticide is commonplace amongst their number. Male chimps who want to drive a female into oestrus will kill her baby and then dismember and eat it in front of her. Female chimps have been observed doing the exact same thing to other females, although their motives are unclear.

  - A tsunami that rips through a town killing thousands of people?

  - Not to mention earthquakes or volcanic eruptions with a resultant death toll?

  - When your body allows a cancer to grow which destroys all of your internal organs?

  - Our biology can host some 30,000 known diseases, and that’s just the known ones?

  - A child born with a mental or physical disorder?