Posts by Perry

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JW threatens women while in field service, gets arrested.

by EndofMysteries in

http://www.lehighvalleylive.com/northampton-county/index.ssf/2014/04/bethlehem_man_forces_way_into.html.

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a 27-year old bethlehem man forced his way into a lehigh township home and allegedly threatened a woman, lehigh township police say.. saverio michael pasqualucci stopped at the home in the 900 block of south cottonwood road about 10:30 wednesday morning, knocked on the door and offered a pamphlet from the jehovah's witness church in nazareth, documents says.. when the woman inside the home said she wasn't interested, pasqualucci walked away but came back about 10 minutes later, saying, "hey aren't you going to let me in, i'm a friend and here to see your husband," records say.. the woman told pasqualucci to get off the property and said she was going to call police, according to records.. pasqualucci then forced his way into the home and made threatening statements to the woman, records say.. "i just got made, i'm here to do a hit," he told the woman, who was afraid she would be harmed and called police, records say.. the woman told police she was afraid pasqualucci was going to harm her by killing her, assaulting her or raping her, records say.. when lehigh township police arrived at the home, they spoke to pasqualucci, standing by a black ford truck, parked partially in the driveway, records say.. pasqualucci identified himself, provided his address and said he was at the home to see the woman's husband, whose name he did not know, records say.. pasqualucci was arraigned in front of district judge robert hawke on charges of burglary, criminal trespass, aggravated assault, simple assault, harassment and terroristic threats with the intent to terrorize another.. he is in northampton county prison in lieu of $50,000 bail and his preliminary hearing is scheduled for 9 a.m. april 11..

Perry

Look on the bright side - Technically, he never ended his field service that morning. So, he should be able to still count his time while in prison.

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Need some advice...For my kids

by Jon Preston in

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since being out mentally and missing meetings my children mention people from the hall and i cant help but feel bad that they are missing the association.

my daughters are 4 and 2 and we live in a small town with not a whole lot to do.

what activities did you do with your kids?

Perry

My 7 & 8 Yr. old's schedule:

Monday - Friends come over from Church for a 8 week course on witnessing. Normally it's Basketball, little league, or soccer practice

Tuesday - Homework

Wednesday - Homework then AWANA at church with about 30 other kids their age.

Thursday - Homework

Friday - Family Movie Night

Saturday - Basketball, Little League, or Soccer game

Sunday - Church and total rest

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Why don't Born Again Christians include themselves as "Cults"?

by booker-t in

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when i see or hear born again christians calling mormons, jws, 7th day adventists, jews etc; cults i always have wondered is that not the pot calling the kettle black?

i just amazes me how so much in denial bacs(born again christians) are.

they love to condemn and throw stones at others but they will never, never, and i mean never label themselves as cults even though they have some of the weirdest beliefs.

Perry

Early Christians trusted in Christ Alone, [ for salvation from Judgment] not men, a group, a church or a single man... like a Pope figure. The New Testament written by the apostles, was their only authority. Being born again was accompanied by renewed strength of the believer to live a separated life and victory over the sin they were previously powerless to change. I say "renewed" because children have this "strength".

When these evidences of an exchanged life (with Christ) were experienced, the believer could truthfully testify that it was not due to his own will-power. What exactly happens is this: at the moment of being born again, the believer receives a new and perfected spirit that cannot sin. This is a part of his inheritance that he receives in this life as a child of God - being no longer God's enemy.

The believer will still sin to the extent that he follows his unsaved and unregenerated flesh. To the extent that he follows the spirit that now resides in him, he will not sin.

In the Christian faith, reliance on will-power only creates more debt to God and more damnation. This is what the cults are all about - trusting in someone or something other than, or in addition to - Jesus. This is idolatry and their will-worship is vanity.

Romans 4: 4 - Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt

Col. 2: 23 - Which things have indeed a show of wisdom in will worship

(King James Version)

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Israel ... Jehovah ... The Promised Land ... Genocide

by wannabefree in

this is a topic that i was always uncomfortable with, but, as a good indoctrinated jw got myself to accept the spin.

of course, now that i am out, when i speak with other "christian" friends, they make the same excuses.

god's ways are above our ways ... okay, sure ... but really???.

Perry

God gave them a break, why not the Canaanites.

Well, it is precisely because HE CHOSE NOT TO.... as was his right as God. He owed nothing but judgment to the Caananites..... as everyone else. This however, does not prevent the exercise of mercy at times. This is what drives the liberal-indoctrinated mind into insanity. They are living in a round room and trying to find a corner to sit in. They think they are owed all possible mercies and blessings of God, when the opposite is true. They are only owed JUDGMENT. And of course, the minimum requirement of that judgment would be: if they have judged others for something they are guilty of. THAT is justice.

For the prudent, we do not seek justice from God, we seek mercy.

However, I perceive another current at work here in this thread. The watchtower indoctrination program that we were all subjected to conditioned us to view governments as eeeeevillll. The devil runs them all. I can't tell you how much this teaching screwed with my head as a young late-teenage man.

Of course the bible states that the governments are God's minister for justice..... entities to be supported and even to indulge a limited amount of national pride into. The tolerance principles laid down in the NT governed Western Culture for many hundreds of years with a large degree of success by many measures.

But noooooo, governments are evil...... and at the most they are to be tolerated enough to keep the average JW out of jail. JW's have NO respect for the governmental arrangement instituted by God as described in the NT. All this is rejected by the WT. In their minds, they are the only authority that matters.

Additionally, they have NO respect for the providence of God UNLESS the WT says that it is OK. THEY ALONE are the interpreters of Gods wishes; and because they are God's SOLE CHANNEL of communication on earth, if they say that God has changed his mind on something... then by golly you better hop and skip to the tune my darlin' lest you lose all your loved ones. In the JW world, God has NO authority....having given it all to the F&DS. In their minds, they are the only authority that matters.

And, of course; it goes without saying that Christians that use the bible as a FINAL authority on matters of faith are viewed as pathetic imps that are only using the mercies of God as an excuse to indulge into whatever sin they want to. In their minds, they are the only authority that matters.

For many ex-JWs, once they have eliminated the only authority that they have ever recognized [the WT], what's left? Just themselves. The vacuum is filled. In their minds, they are the only authority that matters.

So this brings us to people like Blondie, Cofty, and Shirley who cannot bring themselves to accept the Merriam Webster definition of God. How could they? This goes against their indoctrination.

So, Blondie, Cofty , Shirley.... what is your position on abortion?

Many God-Rejecting liberals rail against God for passing judgment on an entire wicked, murderous community thousands of years ago so that he could acheive a "a greater good" on this earth; yet at the same time they pass judgment on the abortion of children on grounds of personal convenience.... their own personal "greater good".

The bottom line is this: In their minds, they are the only authority that matters.

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The Lord's Evening Meal - How Often?

by Bobcat in

the 12/15/2013 study wt has the article, "this is to be a memorial for you.

" in it, paragraph 7 (on page 18) makes the statement, ".

27 also, he took a cup and, having given thanks, he gave it to them, saying: drink out of it, all of you; 28 for this means my blood of the covenant, which is to be poured out in behalf of many for forgiveness of sins.. (note that matthew's rendition leaves out the "keep doing this .

Perry

"For as often as YOU eat this loaf and drink this cup, YOU keep proclaiming the death of the Lord, until he arrives"

Imagine that, the lord leaving this issue open for each group to decide.

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Israel ... Jehovah ... The Promised Land ... Genocide

by wannabefree in

this is a topic that i was always uncomfortable with, but, as a good indoctrinated jw got myself to accept the spin.

of course, now that i am out, when i speak with other "christian" friends, they make the same excuses.

god's ways are above our ways ... okay, sure ... but really???.

Perry

Cofty,

As I pointed out, the bible describes personal responsibilities, civic responsibilities, and responsibilities that lie in the providence of God. There are times however when the issue of "greater good" does fall into the hands of individuals and governments.

For example, an individual may have to make a decision to "unplug" a loved one from a mechine for the greater good of limiting suffering.

A government may have to make a distasteful decision to wipe out a community like hiroshima and nagasaki to limit the costlier causalty count of a land invasion against a totalitarian agressor. Even in man's limited scope, there are exceptional circumstances that demand a human price for the "greater good".

So I ask, if we in our limited scope can at times, under extraordinary circumstance exact a human cost for the greater good, how can you criticize God in his infinite wisdom, good, and authority from doing the same?

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Israel ... Jehovah ... The Promised Land ... Genocide

by wannabefree in

this is a topic that i was always uncomfortable with, but, as a good indoctrinated jw got myself to accept the spin.

of course, now that i am out, when i speak with other "christian" friends, they make the same excuses.

god's ways are above our ways ... okay, sure ... but really???.

Perry

Cofty,

Jesus also said : For he [government] is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.

While we have a personal obligation to love our neighbor and our enemy for that matter, we also have a civic obligation to assist the government in the administration of justice. To the extent that a governments' idea of justice agrees with God, to that extent it will have God's blessing or eventual wrath.

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Israel ... Jehovah ... The Promised Land ... Genocide

by wannabefree in

this is a topic that i was always uncomfortable with, but, as a good indoctrinated jw got myself to accept the spin.

of course, now that i am out, when i speak with other "christian" friends, they make the same excuses.

god's ways are above our ways ... okay, sure ... but really???.

Perry

Shirely, you don't paly fair. I answered your question; why don't you answer mine:

If God is perfect and you are not - how could you possibly be sure that you could tell the difference?

westibilly questions:

supposedly the reason why mankind is suffering is because the issue of sovereignty was raised in garden of eden.....but the more i think about this viewpoint the more i fail to see why a god would a) have allowed his sovereignty to be challenged

This is not what happened in the G of E. This is what the WT says happened. Nowhere does the bible say this. What really happened is that Adam and Eve exercised their free will right to not believe God. When they did this, they disconnected themselves and their children from the Source of Life. Decay, the natural state of the physical world took its course. God's sovereignty was never in question. This is a subterfuge delimma created by the WT.

humbled muses:

But there must be a shared definition of GOOD as well as GOD. Do they fit together, Perry?

I think they do. For those that accept the dictionary definition of God, they must also accept that good can only be ultimately defined by God, the only perfect and all-knowing being. Apart from God, we certainly have strong notions of good and evil, having been created in his image unlike the animals; but the details are worked out from a viewpoint of limited perception. God has no such limits. On a personal level, we are under obligation to love our neighbor as ourselves. Governments, exercising a greater responsibility, define more complicated issues of governance that include life and death issues at times. Governments are given more latitude becasue of the greater responsibilities involved. Sometimes they get it right, sometimes they don't.

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Israel ... Jehovah ... The Promised Land ... Genocide

by wannabefree in

this is a topic that i was always uncomfortable with, but, as a good indoctrinated jw got myself to accept the spin.

of course, now that i am out, when i speak with other "christian" friends, they make the same excuses.

god's ways are above our ways ... okay, sure ... but really???.

Perry

why did YHWH kill children when he claimed killing children is offensive to him?

Shirley, I assume that he figured a greater good would occur by passing judgment on the entire community. This assumption is in harmony with, and is consistent with the dictionary definition of "God" as being perfect.

Now, your turn.....answer my question.

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Israel ... Jehovah ... The Promised Land ... Genocide

by wannabefree in

this is a topic that i was always uncomfortable with, but, as a good indoctrinated jw got myself to accept the spin.

of course, now that i am out, when i speak with other "christian" friends, they make the same excuses.

god's ways are above our ways ... okay, sure ... but really???.

Perry

Shirley, you cannot deal with language. In order to converse, agreed upon definitions are used to develope arguments. I illustrated that the common definition of "God" is rejected by you. When people have different definitions they end up arguing about different things, which is what we are doing.

Please answer this question:

If God is perfect and you are not - how could you possibly be sure that you could tell the difference?

If you choose to run from this question, that's fine with me. But it is still there.