Posts by IWant2Know

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Doctrines and Bible Interpretations

by IWant2Know in

i would like to know if ex's and formers who are not church christians, believe that many of jws' doctrines and bible interpretations are correct, or do you feel that they aren't?

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Sea Breeze

The nice thing about freedom is that you get to read the promises of God for yourself and choose whether or not to receive them. You don't need anyone's permission.

Well, perhaps not permission, but doesn't reading those promises incorrectly result in either everlasting destruction or everlasting pain and torment in an eternal hellfire? Or whatever sort of comeuppance that one believes in.

Jesus is quoting Ps. 118: 26. Here it is in context.
A stone which the builders rejected
Has become the chief cornerstone.
This came about from the LORD;
It is marvelous in our eyes.
This is the day which the LORD has made;
Let’s rejoice and be glad in it.
Please, O LORD, do save us;
Please, O LORD, do send prosperity!
Blessed is the one who comes in the name of the LORD;
We have blessed you [Jesus] from the house of the LORD.
Jesus knew that his first coming would be a curse for him - "cursed is every man that hangeth upon a tree"... (Gal. 3: 13; 2 Cor 5: 21)) Israel pronounced a curse upon their King and in so doing liberated all believing mankind from the authority of Hell. Because that verse also says he became a curse "for us" not just Adam..... thus satisfying the harsh demands of the LAW which is the death penalty for all who receive it.
When Jesus comes a second time, it will not to be to become a curse - but a blessing as he destroys the Anti-Christ and his human armies and demon hordes that gang up on the nation of Israel and squeeze them until they are literally begging Jesus to show up. As a nation they will have come all the way to their end. This is the time of Jacobs trouble. Not many Jews will be left, perhaps less than a third. But, enough will be left to welcome their Savior.
Roman 9: 27 - And Isaiah cries out concerning Israel: “Though the number of the sons of Israel be as the sand of the sea, only a remnant of them will be saved,
Christianity is just a parenthesis in the over-all plan of God. And what a marvellous parentheis it is. But, the main theme of the bible centers around the King of Kings and Lord of Lords as the replacement for King Adam who gave away his kingdom for little more than a whim from his wife.
Instead of a prison planet, the Milleniuim Reign will be a time of ubelievable freedom and peace as King Jesus shepards the nations with a rod of iron.
All the nations you have made shall come and worship before you, O Lord, and shall glorify your name. - Ps. 86: 9

Well, I would say that whatever works for you.

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Manners and Respectfulness

by IWant2Know in

i would like to know if there are any ex's or formers who still appreciate good manners and respectfulness?

but i hope this question isn't offensive to this forum.

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IWant2Know

NotFormer said:

IWant2Know: He pops in from time to time. The avatar issue has been on the backburner for some time. This is just a hobby for him. That it works so well as such should be congratulated.

Oh, well. It looks like I'll have to get used to the baby-poop green coloring of my avatar. 😵‍💫😉

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Manners and Respectfulness

by IWant2Know in

i would like to know if there are any ex's or formers who still appreciate good manners and respectfulness?

but i hope this question isn't offensive to this forum.

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IWant2Know

TonusOH said:

The Watchtower organization will find any number of ways to justify their attitude towards those who leave. One way is to focus on those whose behavior they think is easy to condemn, even though there are certainly plenty of such examples within the organization itself. Or are people not rude or aggressive or foul-mouthed when they are JWs?

Well, from what I recall, a lot of them are not.

I am 100% certain that if I had browsed this forum when I was PIMI, I would have an endless list of things to object to, which would have fed my view of exJWs and apostates. I would also have found no end of excuses for similar behavior among JWs. Confirmation bias is a very real thing, and it paints our view of the world. Knowing this, I don't worry what the organization or PIMI JWs think about this site.

Well, I partially agree with what you're saying. However, my concern is for those who are POPMI (Physically Out Partially Mentally In). Because for me personally, that was my experience with the organization. And if others who are POPMI are anything like I was, then they would be looking for answers. However, when coming to this forum, they may see a lot of behavior, which seems to confirm and support what Jehovah's Witnesses say about apostates. Even though in all fairness, they would also see a lot of knowledge and helpful answers.

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Isaiah 40:29-31 and Being Gay

by IWant2Know in

i'm new here and i have perhaps an unusual question.

it's just something that i would like to know from ex's or formers rather than from other jehovah's witnesses.

but i would like to know what your experience and your struggle was for former jws who were gay when they were jws.

IWant2Know

PioneerSchmioneer said:

iwant2know-- I have talked @ length to this Caleb guy. While he is of Jewish heritage, you are aware that is merely due to birth and upbringing/education. He is a Christian who taught religion after leaving the Borg.
He makes it a practices of not writing down what he personally believes in his answers. Just academic answers.

Oh, brother. 🙄 Well, I was looking forward to hearing what his answer was mainly because (and excuse me for my lack of manners and respectfulness) I was trying to assess the type of stick that he had up his ass. But, thank you, PioneerSchmioneer.

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Doctrines and Bible Interpretations

by IWant2Know in

i would like to know if ex's and formers who are not church christians, believe that many of jws' doctrines and bible interpretations are correct, or do you feel that they aren't?

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IWant2Know

Sea Breeze said:

So, is this supposed to continue on as long as humans are on this planet?
- No, just until the Jews decide to accept Jesus as their King.
- “I will pour out on the house of David and on the people of Jerusalem, the Spirit of grace (unmerited favor) and supplication. And they will look at Me whom they have pierced; and they will mourn for Him as one mourns for an only son, and they will weep bitterly over Him as one who weeps bitterly over a firstborn. 11 In that day there shall be a great mourning in Jerusalem, like the mourning of [the city of] Hadadrimmon in the Valley of [d]Megiddo [over beloved King [e]Josiah]..... 14 all the families that remain, each by itself, and their wives by themselves [each with an overwhelming individual regret for having blindly rejected their Messiah]. - Zech. 12: 10 AMP
- For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.- Matt. 23: 39 KJV
Well, I'm just wondering if that is a valid Hebrew scripture Messianic prophecy, or if it's just Christian midrash. See the second to last post by KalebOutWest on page 4: Isaiah 40:29-31 and Being Gay (page 4) (jehovahs-witness.com)

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Manners and Respectfulness

by IWant2Know in

i would like to know if there are any ex's or formers who still appreciate good manners and respectfulness?

but i hope this question isn't offensive to this forum.

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IWant2Know

NotFormer said:

IWant2Know, those are valid points. It can be a bit of a free for all. But at the same time, there are plenty of respectful people here. I'm not sure Simon introduced the monster avatars as a middle finger to anybody

Is Simon still around? Because sometimes I think that this forum is on auto pilot. Especially since I still have the baby poop colored avatar instead of the one that I tried to changed to. 😉

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Isaiah 40:29-31 and Being Gay

by IWant2Know in

i'm new here and i have perhaps an unusual question.

it's just something that i would like to know from ex's or formers rather than from other jehovah's witnesses.

but i would like to know what your experience and your struggle was for former jws who were gay when they were jws.

IWant2Know

KalebOutWest said:

And none of the texts from Daniel are prophetic. The book is an "apocalypse," not a prophecy. In fact, "Daniel" is not even a real person. That is why when you open a Jewish Bible, the Book of Daniel does not appear in the "Prophets" section but in the "Writings" section.
The Book of Daniel was written by the Maccabees during their persecution and subsequent revolt under the Hasmoneons, with events ending in the celebrations of the very first Chanukah. "Daniel" is a folk hero--like America's Paul Bunyan. Daniel gives warnings and messages to Nebuchadnezzar, even though the Jews have been back from the exiles for generations now. They are facing a new threat from the Hellenists who want to stop Jewish worship. Using apocalyptic language that sound like oracles and visions, the Maccabees encourage their fellow Jews with folktales of Daniel overcoming the heathens and their gods, showing how they will defeat the Hellenists and restore the Temple and pure worship in their own day if they keep up the fight (which they did).
None of these are predictions.

No wonder some Jews who are very talky about other Jewish/Hebrew scripture topics, get all quiet on you when you ask about the book of Daniel.

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Isaiah 40:29-31 and Being Gay

by IWant2Know in

i'm new here and i have perhaps an unusual question.

it's just something that i would like to know from ex's or formers rather than from other jehovah's witnesses.

but i would like to know what your experience and your struggle was for former jws who were gay when they were jws.

IWant2Know

LV101 said:

IW2K - yes -- all embryos are initially female -- within a short time the weaker embryos transfer to male. Strange when men are the strongest physically and have higher IQs (not saying females are not higher in some -- but generally) per the science.

You had better not let your wife see that.

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Isaiah 40:29-31 and Being Gay

by IWant2Know in

i'm new here and i have perhaps an unusual question.

it's just something that i would like to know from ex's or formers rather than from other jehovah's witnesses.

but i would like to know what your experience and your struggle was for former jws who were gay when they were jws.

IWant2Know

KalebOutWest said:

- For Jehovah's WItnesses, God must "foresee" and "foretell" the future and must keep time, partially because the theology of Jehovah's Witnesses is based on "timekeeping" and "the end of times." If this understanding fails, so does their teaching that their religion is the only true one. Their leaders have spent over a century trying to teach they only they can understand the "predictions" of the "prophets."
So, what's the point of verses such as:
Daniel 7:25, "time, times and a half".
Daniel 12:7, "time, times and a half".
Revelation 11:2, "42 months".
Revelation 11:3, "1260 days".
Revelation 12:6, "1260 days".
Revelation 12:14, "time, times and a half".
Revelation 13:5,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Day-year_principle
Or what about the seventy weeks of Daniel?
The “seventy weeks” prophecy is one of the most significant and detailed Messianic prophecies of the Old Testament. It is found in Daniel 9. The chapter begins with Daniel praying for Israel, acknowledging the nation’s sins against God and asking for God’s mercy. As Daniel prayed, the angel Gabriel appeared to him and gave him a vision of Israel’s future.
What are the seventy weeks of Daniel? | GotQuestions.org
- I'll bet you could not have done that if I had not told you that, now could you.
Sure, I could have. All that I would have to do is search on the internet. Or even look at the verses in the New World Translation or other Bibles that give Hebrew scripture references to Bible verses. Plus, as I had mentioned before, I've already seen both Jewish and non-believers' refutation of the silver pieces prophecy along with many of the other so-called Hebrew scripture Jesus prophecies.
- Isaiah 11:6-9--Isaiah is indeed talking about the ideal king in Davidic king and restoration under him for all Israel's benefit, but it should be noted that the oracle does not have any particular historical person or time period in mind.
So, why does verse 9 say:
They will not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain;
for the earth will be full of the knowledge of Yahweh,
as the waters cover the sea.
World English Bible
- Isaiah 65:17-25 is part of an apocalypse and not a prophecy, written by Deutero-Isaiah or maybe even Third or Fourth Isaiah. It is speaking of the conditions experienced by the Jews after they returned from exile to Babylon. Apocalypse speaks of the present in future terms, as if it has yet to be fulfilled, using symbols. The book of Daniel, as apocalypse, does this throughout its "visions," for example.
- And none of the texts from Daniel are prophetic. The book is an "apocalypse," not a prophecy. In fact, "Daniel" is not even a real person. That is why when you open a Jewish Bible, the Book of Daniel does not appear in the "Prophets" section but in the "Writings" section.
- The Book of Daniel was written by the Maccabees during their persecution and subsequent revolt under the Hasmoneons, with events ending in the celebrations of the very first Chanukah. "Daniel" is a folk hero--like America's Paul Bunyan. Daniel gives warnings and messages to Nebuchadnezzar, even though the Jews have been back from the exiles for generations now. They are facing a new threat from the Hellenists who want to stop Jewish worship. Using apocalyptic language that sound like oracles and visions, the Maccabees encourage their fellow Jews with folktales of Daniel overcoming the heathens and their gods, showing how they will defeat the Hellenists and restore the Temple and pure worship in their own day if they keep up the fight (which they did).
Well, I have tons of bookmarked YouTube playlists videos that I haven't gotten around to looking at yet. Such as this one:
The Babylonian Exile & The Book of Daniel: What Apologist Are Not Telling You - YouTube
However, thank you for the information. Much appreciated.
- The Church Fathers, using the "midrash" that Jesus and the apostles used as recorded in the New Testament, applied this to Jesus. Again, this is an apocalypse, not a book by a real prophet or even by a person named Daniel. The folk hero by that name did not exist and is not listed as one of the prophets of Israel in the Talmud.
So, then it almost sounds as if it's a choice of whose midrash does one use: Jewish or Christian?
- The narrative of the Garden of Eden is based on the type of enclosed garden of the king of Babylon that had a guard with a sword and kept people out. It had, on its outside, cherubim, for the decor.
Bingo!
- Now that you have read my replies, what are your counter arguments? If you have none what are you doing about it?
- Who cares what I believe? How cares about what you believe? What are you doing with your life now that is helping others more than you?
You, first.

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Doctrines and Bible Interpretations

by IWant2Know in

i would like to know if ex's and formers who are not church christians, believe that many of jws' doctrines and bible interpretations are correct, or do you feel that they aren't?

.

IWant2Know

Vanderhoven7 said:

Why is the world still messed up?
Because Jesus Christ's parousia is still future. Until then, Jesus is only ruling in the hearts of those who have repented and believed His gospel. Nothing to do with 1874, 1914, 1919, men in New York or religion.

So, is this supposed to continue on as long as humans are on this planet?