Posts by IWant2Know

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Isaiah 40:29-31 and Being Gay

by IWant2Know in

i'm new here and i have perhaps an unusual question.

it's just something that i would like to know from ex's or formers rather than from other jehovah's witnesses.

but i would like to know what your experience and your struggle was for former jws who were gay when they were jws.

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KalebOutWest said:

If I had cherished those beliefs, I would be heartbroken and somewhat confused to see what I honored and believed to disappear day by day, week by week, month by month, year by year. It's all going away.
The religion I know and it's teachings are gone. How are you coping since you could never go back? There is nothing to be faithful to as they are not even faithful to themselves or those that came before them.

But JWs' response to that is that the basic foundational doctrines have not changed, being: The Trinity, Hellfire, the Immortal Soul, and that All Good People Go To Heaven.

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Isaiah 40:29-31 and Being Gay

by IWant2Know in

i'm new here and i have perhaps an unusual question.

it's just something that i would like to know from ex's or formers rather than from other jehovah's witnesses.

but i would like to know what your experience and your struggle was for former jws who were gay when they were jws.

Kosonen said:

Well, I disagreed with some things the WT teaches and got disfellowshipped for that 19 years ago, so I had to continue without support from a congregation to follow Jesus and obey his teachings. Personal prayer and reading of the Bible has kept me in the faith.

Kosonen, I totally get it. Thanks.

Also, do you belong to any Christian denomination?

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Isaiah 40:29-31 and Being Gay

by IWant2Know in

i'm new here and i have perhaps an unusual question.

it's just something that i would like to know from ex's or formers rather than from other jehovah's witnesses.

but i would like to know what your experience and your struggle was for former jws who were gay when they were jws.

Reasonfirs said

B.O.Y. ???
bloody old yahweh
see Wikipedia's discussion of the word bloody and its use as an intensifier, and other meanings.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloody

Oh, wow... That's deep.

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Isaiah 40:29-31 and Being Gay

by IWant2Know in

i'm new here and i have perhaps an unusual question.

it's just something that i would like to know from ex's or formers rather than from other jehovah's witnesses.

but i would like to know what your experience and your struggle was for former jws who were gay when they were jws.

Isaiah 40:29-31 and Being Gay

by IWant2Know in

i'm new here and i have perhaps an unusual question.

it's just something that i would like to know from ex's or formers rather than from other jehovah's witnesses.

but i would like to know what your experience and your struggle was for former jws who were gay when they were jws.

KalebOutWest said:

Those verses are not actually applicable to this situation or even about individual application, as Jehovah's Witnesses believe.

I'm guessing that you are the person who said that he knew Hebrew and that his parents were Jewish. Because this is another time that I've been explained how certain Hebrew scriptures actually have a meaning that is not the meaning that Christians and Jehovah's Witnesses put upon those scriptures. For example, I understand that the well-known verse at Ecclesiastes 1:15 is supposed to have a different original Jewish meaning compared to the way that JWs apply it. And then there's the whole thing about the way many Hebrew scriptures have been applied 'differently' to Jesus, however, I do not want to go into that.

KalebOutWest said:

Over a century had passed since the prophet Isaiah who penned the first section of the book had passed. Cyrus the Great had come on the scene and liberated the people from exile to Babylon. While the Jewish hope of the Messiah was not fully formed yet. . .

Interesting. So, when did the Jewish hope of the Messiah actually form and became fully formed? Because I thought that Genesis 3:15 was the first prophecy about the Messiah. Although, I suspect that Jews have a totally different meaning for Genesis 3:15.

KalebOutWest said:

But the text does not mean that young men today can literally hope in God to gain strength so they do not stumble, as in the case of "falling into sin." The "stumble and fall" that is being described is not sinning but comparing the strength of "Jacob/Israel" of verse 27 to being stronger than young men that don't have the power to cross the desert like Israel does.

KalebOutWest, I think that you may have broke my brain... Or you may have fixed it. Or perhaps helped to fix it. But I have to let all this sink in.

KalebOutWest said:

To use this same text as an encourgement for young people facing "sins" is not only taking it out of context but shows a deep lack of Biblical history and an inability to just read the context.
The context is about the Creator being the real Savior, the true Liberator, greater than any power found among the nations--it is not about how youths can find help when faced with sexual temptations.

I've always found it helpful to get answers about the Hebrew scriptures from people who speak Hebrew and who have a Jewish background. However, unfortunately, there have been some questions asked to Jewish people that they seem to evade.

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Isaiah 40:29-31 and Being Gay

by IWant2Know in

i'm new here and i have perhaps an unusual question.

it's just something that i would like to know from ex's or formers rather than from other jehovah's witnesses.

but i would like to know what your experience and your struggle was for former jws who were gay when they were jws.

IWant2Know

Kosonen said:

Hi, I would answer your question by saying that everyone has to struggle with sinful inclinations. Hetrosexual people might have a hard struggle with constant thoughts about fornication or adultery.

Well, even though heterosexual people might have a hard struggle with constant thoughts about fornication or adultery, I would say that 'many' people who are homosexual actually do have a hard struggle with constant thoughts of being attracted to the same sex. And even if they don't act upon those desires.

However, I can't imagine that too many heterosexual JWs have that hard of a struggle with sexual thoughts considering 1 Corinthians 7:9. Unless 1 Corinthians 7:9 is in reality useless for Christians. Although, one thing that I know for sure is that 1 Corinthians 7:9 is useless to the homosexual JW who is struggling with their sexual desires.

Also, I've read many anecdotal stories on the internet and jwfacts.com about the experiences of gay JWs. And many of them had such bad experiences, they ended up leaving the organization.

However, I figure that the responses by successful PIMI gay JWs are either by people who are bisexual, or whose libidos were to a degree where they could nip their desires in the bud. Because it's true that humans have different levels of libidos... Even 1 Corinthians 7:9 tells you that.

Also, before I started posting on this board, I looked and found quite a few threads about homosexuality, however, I didn't read them and thought I'd get a more current perspective of the topic by members.

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Manners and Respectfulness

by IWant2Know in

i would like to know if there are any ex's or formers who still appreciate good manners and respectfulness?

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LV101 said:11 hours ago

There are many well-mannered JWs and XJWs. A few ill-mannered ones/experiences seem to mar the good in our minds. I'm always impressed with manners/respect displayed by young people -- most parents are doing a good job.

Do you mean in the organization, or in the world? Because a whole lot of the parenting in the world is the pits.

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Manners and Respectfulness

by IWant2Know in

i would like to know if there are any ex's or formers who still appreciate good manners and respectfulness?

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moley said:

15 hours ago

Sorry but what are you getting at. Are you implying that because we are no longer part of that hateful cult that we won’t have good manners and be respectful, personally I find that offensive.

I know. And that's why I added: "But I hope this question isn't offensive to this forum" in the duplicate thread.

Manners and Respectfulness (jehovahs-witness.com)

Also, I added a little anecdote in that thread where I said:

Well, with all joking aside, sometimes it seems as if ex-JWs are playing the role that they think they should play... Kind of like a self-fulfilling prophecy from what scriptures says about people who stop serving God.
I've even had a friend who was disfellowshipped and he seemed to be, or tried to act as ornery as he could. And I had even faded at the time that I saw him, but he was very mean-spirited and kind of surprised me.

Take care now.

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Manners and Respectfulness

by IWant2Know in

i would like to know if there are any ex's or formers who still appreciate good manners and respectfulness?

but i hope this question isn't offensive to this forum.

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IWant2Know

MeanMrMustard said:

12 hours ago

Don't listen to these guys. It's well known that all exJWs, upon leaving The Truth, adopt a cavalier attitude toward manners.

Well, with all joking aside, sometimes it seems as if ex-JWs are playing the role that they think they should play... Kind of like a self-fulfilling prophecy from what scriptures says about people who stop serving God.

I've even had a friend who was disfellowshipped and he seemed to be, or tried to act as ornery as he could. And I had even faded at the time that I saw him, but he was very mean-spirited and kind of surprised me.

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Manners and Respectfulness

by IWant2Know in

i would like to know if there are any ex's or formers who still appreciate good manners and respectfulness?

but i hope this question isn't offensive to this forum.

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IWant2Know

NotFormer said:

You can only post two new threads every 24 hours. Trying to do it again will only create another identical thread that will appear when the 24 hour curfew expires.

Ohhhh. Thanks.