Posts by IWant2Know

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Isaiah 40:29-31 and Being Gay

by IWant2Know in

i'm new here and i have perhaps an unusual question.

it's just something that i would like to know from ex's or formers rather than from other jehovah's witnesses.

but i would like to know what your experience and your struggle was for former jws who were gay when they were jws.

Kosonen said:

Hi, I would answer your question by saying that everyone has to struggle with sinful inclinations. Hetrosexual people might have a hard struggle with constant thoughts about fornication or adultery.

Well, even though heterosexual people might have a hard struggle with constant thoughts about fornication or adultery, I would say that 'many' people who are homosexual actually do have a hard struggle with constant thoughts of being attracted to the same sex. And even if they don't act upon those desires.

However, I can't imagine that too many heterosexual JWs have that hard of a struggle with sexual thoughts considering 1 Corinthians 7:9. Unless 1 Corinthians 7:9 is in reality useless for Christians. Although, one thing that I know for sure is that 1 Corinthians 7:9 is useless to the homosexual JW who is struggling with their sexual desires.

Also, I've read many anecdotal stories on the internet and jwfacts.com about the experiences of gay JWs. And many of them had such bad experiences, they ended up leaving the organization.

However, I figure that the responses by successful PIMI gay JWs are either by people who are bisexual, or whose libidos were to a degree where they could nip their desires in the bud. Because it's true that humans have different levels of libidos... Even 1 Corinthians 7:9 tells you that.

Also, before I started posting on this board, I looked and found quite a few threads about homosexuality, however, I didn't read them and thought I'd get a more current perspective of the topic by members.

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Manners and Respectfulness

by IWant2Know in

i would like to know if there are any ex's or formers who still appreciate good manners and respectfulness?

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LV101 said:11 hours ago

There are many well-mannered JWs and XJWs. A few ill-mannered ones/experiences seem to mar the good in our minds. I'm always impressed with manners/respect displayed by young people -- most parents are doing a good job.

Do you mean in the organization, or in the world? Because a whole lot of the parenting in the world is the pits.

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Manners and Respectfulness

by IWant2Know in

i would like to know if there are any ex's or formers who still appreciate good manners and respectfulness?

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15 hours ago

Sorry but what are you getting at. Are you implying that because we are no longer part of that hateful cult that we won’t have good manners and be respectful, personally I find that offensive.

I know. And that's why I added: "But I hope this question isn't offensive to this forum" in the duplicate thread.

Manners and Respectfulness (jehovahs-witness.com)

Also, I added a little anecdote in that thread where I said:

Well, with all joking aside, sometimes it seems as if ex-JWs are playing the role that they think they should play... Kind of like a self-fulfilling prophecy from what scriptures says about people who stop serving God.
I've even had a friend who was disfellowshipped and he seemed to be, or tried to act as ornery as he could. And I had even faded at the time that I saw him, but he was very mean-spirited and kind of surprised me.

Take care now.

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Manners and Respectfulness

by IWant2Know in

i would like to know if there are any ex's or formers who still appreciate good manners and respectfulness?

but i hope this question isn't offensive to this forum.

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12 hours ago

Don't listen to these guys. It's well known that all exJWs, upon leaving The Truth, adopt a cavalier attitude toward manners.

Well, with all joking aside, sometimes it seems as if ex-JWs are playing the role that they think they should play... Kind of like a self-fulfilling prophecy from what scriptures says about people who stop serving God.

I've even had a friend who was disfellowshipped and he seemed to be, or tried to act as ornery as he could. And I had even faded at the time that I saw him, but he was very mean-spirited and kind of surprised me.

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Manners and Respectfulness

by IWant2Know in

i would like to know if there are any ex's or formers who still appreciate good manners and respectfulness?

but i hope this question isn't offensive to this forum.

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IWant2Know

NotFormer said:

You can only post two new threads every 24 hours. Trying to do it again will only create another identical thread that will appear when the 24 hour curfew expires.

Ohhhh. Thanks.

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Doctrines and Bible Interpretations

by IWant2Know in

i would like to know if ex's and formers who are not church christians, believe that many of jws' doctrines and bible interpretations are correct, or do you feel that they aren't?

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Vanderhoven7 said:

The unique doctrines of Jehovah’s Witnesses are the ones that only Jehovah’s Witnesses teach. Here is a list that I’ve compiled…and perhaps Witnesses will be glad to demonstrate that they are found in the Bible.
1. Only Jehovah's Witnesses teach that there were less than 144,000 faithful Christians that existed prior to the 20th century They alone teach that from all of humanity, there will be exactly and exclusively 144,000 faithful born-again Christians whose destiny is heaven.

I'll have to get back to the rest of your post some other time, Vanderhoven7, because it's getting late and this is an old forum and it takes me a long time to quote and compose replies. However, I did want to say that if I'm being totally honest, I would think that a group who claims to have exclusive truth from the Bible, would have a different interpretation of scripture compared to mainstream Christians. However, perhaps the governing body may eventually have new light about all the Christians who ever lived since the first century only being of the anointed, and that perhaps many of them could have been of the great crowd class.

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Doctrines and Bible Interpretations

by IWant2Know in

i would like to know if ex's and formers who are not church christians, believe that many of jws' doctrines and bible interpretations are correct, or do you feel that they aren't?

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IWant2Know

slimboyfat said:

JWs are much closer to the biblical texts than other Christian groups in key teachings including: the importance of God’s name; that Jesus is the firstborn of all creation and subordinate to God; that Christians should be separate from the world and not take part in wars; that consciousness ends at death; that humans will be resurrected to a restored earth; that anointed Christians comprise the ‘Israel of God’; that all Christians must preach; and so on, this is not a complete list. The things they are wrong about are relatively minor and mainly to do with the end times, such as the Gentile Times ending in 1914 and the identity of the ‘faithful slave’.

I basically agree with most of what you said. So, are you still a JW, slimboyfat ?

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Doctrines and Bible Interpretations

by IWant2Know in

i would like to know if ex's and formers who are not church christians, believe that many of jws' doctrines and bible interpretations are correct, or do you feel that they aren't?

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IWant2Know

ElderBerry said:

Religion comes from a need for hope

I agree.

ElderBerry said:

On Reddit many PIMOs are turning to agnostic so they can still have hope.

Could you elaborate... or as JWs used to say, expound on that?Also, they need a sticky here so that people can understand all the PI acronyms. I know some of them, but I'm going to go Google the rest of them.

ElderBerry said:

I think most PIMIs think the GB maybe wrong on some things otherwise there would never be new lite ever again.

But I would say that they are pretty steadfast and don't really care about that.

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Doctrines and Bible Interpretations

by IWant2Know in

i would like to know if ex's and formers who are not church christians, believe that many of jws' doctrines and bible interpretations are correct, or do you feel that they aren't?

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IWant2Know

Kosonen said:

I would like to shortly tell my story. When I was about 30 years 19 years ago I saw one WT teaching that was not according to the Bible. Then I thought what else might be wrong? So I started to read the Bible cover to cover multiple times prayerfully to understand which WT doctrines are true and which are false. In that way during several years I found out many things WT teaches correctly but also many things they teach falsely.

So, which ones are those?

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Doctrines and Bible Interpretations

by IWant2Know in

i would like to know if ex's and formers who are not church christians, believe that many of jws' doctrines and bible interpretations are correct, or do you feel that they aren't?

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IWant2Know

Vanderhoven7 said:

The truth is
Every unique doctrine of Jehovah's Witnesses is extra-biblical, .ie., not found in the Bible.
Evey teaching that is unique and original to the religion is derived by eisegesis rather than exegesis I.e., speculation additional to scripture.

But what about the whole Daniel statue thing? Because both Jews and church Christians and skeptics say that the feet of iron and clay is Rome. However, related verses speak about a stone carved from a mountain that smashes that statue and grows and covers all of earth. Therefore, how could Rome be the feet of the statue since the stone carved from the mountain hasn't taken over the world after Rome was destroyed?