Posts by IWant2Know

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Manners and Respectfulness

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i would like to know if there are any ex's or formers who still appreciate good manners and respectfulness?

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IWant2Know

Sorry about the duplicate thread, but it wouldn't go through at first.

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Isaiah 40:29-31 and Being Gay

by IWant2Know in

i'm new here and i have perhaps an unusual question.

it's just something that i would like to know from ex's or formers rather than from other jehovah's witnesses.

but i would like to know what your experience and your struggle was for former jws who were gay when they were jws.

IWant2Know

Reasonfirst said:

That brought even greater emotional conflict, and he planned suicide. He wanted to find a good-looking young guy, to have a holiday with, and after that to drive a car off a cliff.
Almost predictably, he did meet a young guy, but the young guy had some problems, and in helping him found a second life partner with whom to share his life.
They are still together.

Well, it sounds like Isaiah 40:29-31 didn't help him since I'm pretty such most JWs have tried to apply those verses to themselves. Although JWs would say that he didn't try hard enough or didn't have enough faith or didn't have enough love for God... or that he never was a real JW in the first place.

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Isaiah 40:29-31 and Being Gay

by IWant2Know in

i'm new here and i have perhaps an unusual question.

it's just something that i would like to know from ex's or formers rather than from other jehovah's witnesses.

but i would like to know what your experience and your struggle was for former jws who were gay when they were jws.

IWant2Know

Reasonfirst said:

As my friend explains his life, he (like most of us) does not remember having sexual feelings before puberty. But after puberty his sexual feelings were quite strong, but undirected (that is to a specific sex).

Well, I had never heard of that before. Also, I'm kind of wondering how his sexual feelings were manifested if they weren't directed towards any specific gender.

Reasonfirst said:

He, like a lot of other kids in that time, had no real sexual experience with anyone else. But he did have erotic feelings toward other boys, and some fumblings in the dark in newsreel theatres (no longer existing).

Oh... Well, that makes more sense.

Reasonfirst said:

Around 17-18, coming to make a real decision about his future, he came into contact with the jws. and was 'organised' into studying with a good-looking young brother (who's still a witness).

Well, that sounds very familiar. And I know that JWs believe that they have been commission to preach the good news about the Kingdom to the world, but sometimes I wonder why God (that is, if he's real) doesn't know that some people would have been better off not knowing about the JW message and just allowed to live their lives peacefully.

Also, you mentioned a good-looking brother. So, was there any conflict of feelings with your friend and this brother?

Reasonfirst said:

My friend also became a serious jw, and began to suppress his desires. Eventually, he was convinced that B.O.Y. had 'cured' him, and he could get married without internal conflicts. So, he met an attractive (and, zealous) young sister (I interpret his descriptions to mean that she was a bit 'boyish' and rather flat-chested), got married, and pioneered with her for many years.

So, are you perhaps implying that he may have been attracted to her because she looked boyish? Also, you friend sounds like he was bisexual, because 100% homosexuals don't have attraction towards the opposite sex. Also, what is B.O.Y.?

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Isaiah 40:29-31 and Being Gay

by IWant2Know in

i'm new here and i have perhaps an unusual question.

it's just something that i would like to know from ex's or formers rather than from other jehovah's witnesses.

but i would like to know what your experience and your struggle was for former jws who were gay when they were jws.

IWant2Know

Kosonen said:

Hi, I would answer your question by saying that everyone has to struggle with sinful inclinations. Hetrosexual people might have a hard struggle with constant thoughts about fornication or adultery.
But other people who are not especially interested with sex, might have strong feelings of greed, or excessive desire to steal or to take drugs or drink too much alcohol or some find it irresistible to avoid bullying others.
I think everyone who is not fully engaged spiritually struggles with a variety of serious sinful feelings and thoughts.

So, Kosonen, how did you become a non-Jehovah's Witness Christian? Because I've tried it but could never go with it.

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Isaiah 40:29-31 and Being Gay

by IWant2Know in

i'm new here and i have perhaps an unusual question.

it's just something that i would like to know from ex's or formers rather than from other jehovah's witnesses.

but i would like to know what your experience and your struggle was for former jws who were gay when they were jws.

IWant2Know

Balaamsass2 said:

Quite a few Bethelites were gay when I was there in the 70s. "NPGs" or non-practicing gays. The old timers called them "confirmed Bachelors".

Well, that's different from today's viewpoint about gay JWs. Because now they say that they can definitely be 'cured' by God and become straight and get married. And it's almost like a guarantee. That is, if you stick with it...

But they used to be called confirmed Bachelors? That certainly was a change in viewpoint.

Balaamsass2 said:

said:
It was hard for the Bethel gays to room together and not have sex. Quite a few were drummed out of Bethel, penniless and disfellowshipped.

So, I've heard stories about that. Also, that there was a governing body member who got disfellowshipped for homosexual behavior. Although, I wonder about that now in Warwick.

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Manners and Respectfulness

by IWant2Know in

i would like to know if there are any ex's or formers who still appreciate good manners and respectfulness?

but i hope this question isn't offensive to this forum.

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IWant2Know

I would like to know if there are any ex's or formers who still appreciate good manners and respectfulness? But I hope this question isn't offensive to this forum.

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Manners and Respectfulness

by IWant2Know in

i would like to know if there are any ex's or formers who still appreciate good manners and respectfulness?

.

IWant2Know

I would like to know if there are any ex's or formers who still appreciate good manners and respectfulness?

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Isaiah 40:29-31 and Being Gay

by IWant2Know in

i'm new here and i have perhaps an unusual question.

it's just something that i would like to know from ex's or formers rather than from other jehovah's witnesses.

but i would like to know what your experience and your struggle was for former jws who were gay when they were jws.

IWant2Know

No takers?

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Doctrines and Bible Interpretations

by IWant2Know in

i would like to know if ex's and formers who are not church christians, believe that many of jws' doctrines and bible interpretations are correct, or do you feel that they aren't?

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IWant2Know

KalebOutWest saId:

I don't even know what a church Christian is, so I guess that pretty counts me out.

They are Christians other than JWs.

I don't think non-church or non-Bible Christians who left the Watchtower are going to give you the most interesting answers. I think the ones who are going to give you those are ones who are still stuck on believing that the Bible is where all belief must still come from.

So, what about the one young woman who used to post at this forum who was very knowledgeable and who gave long and sophisticated Bible answers?

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Doctrines and Bible Interpretations

by IWant2Know in

i would like to know if ex's and formers who are not church christians, believe that many of jws' doctrines and bible interpretations are correct, or do you feel that they aren't?

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IWant2Know

Phizzy said:

Hence all of their unique Doctrines are false, using just the Bible to prove them so.

What do you mean?