Posts by peacefulpete

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Sign of the Last Days

by Fisherman in

in the sermon on the mount, jesus foretold that earthquakes “in one place after another” would be part of the sign of the last days clímaxing in the great tribulation.. what could jesus possibly have meant?

using a phone app nowadays, there are earthquakes detected in one place after another but is this what jesus meant and did they have so many earthquakes throughout the centuries affter his prophecy or are these modern day detected earthquakes unique to this epoch?

how can we be sure unequivocally that modern day earthquakes are part of the sign fulfilling bible prophecy?.

peacefulpete

Jewish eschatology generally anticipated divine interventions at a point of terrible suffering of Israel. IOW God would rescue them when they needed him most. As I read the mini apocalypse in Mark, the author was simply saying the same again.

The dark period of the decades surrounding 70, inspired the eschatological anticipations similar to those of the century before when they faced Antichus and then Pompey. Similar to the many times previous that they faced times of great suffering by war, food shortage, disease.

Earthquakes are possibly explainable by the earthquakes that had happened in the Mediterranean region, but I'm suspecting the author had in mind earthquakes such as supernaturally caused. Matthew specifically added an earthquake in the death scene. It is accompanied with a mass resurrection. That suggests to me that that redactor of Mark thought the earthquakes mentioned by the author of Mark were assumed supernatural.

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If JW is not the truth, then what is the true religion?

by TxNVSue2023 in

even though i'm disfellowshiped ( & i belive wrongfully so).

i still belive this is the truth.

i have been d'f for about 8 months now and working on reinstatement.

peacefulpete

By truth you mean "Truth (tm)". It's a powerful word reduced to a sectarian brand.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two_by_Twos

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Jerusalem will be trampled by the nations until the Gentile Times are Fulfilled. — Luke 21:24

by Fisherman in

jerusalem will be trampled by the nations until the gentile times are fulfilled.

— luke 21:24 .

the bible book of luke records jesus prophecy of the last day with his parousia including the verse about the gentile times.

peacefulpete

The author of those words in Matt 13 is reusing the metaphor from Isaiah 6 to supplement his source document (Mark).

There the prophet blamed the people for not agreeing with him. The fault was theirs not his or his arguments. Similarly 700+- years later the Matthean author felt that Jews that did not agree with him were somehow deficient, the fault was theirs.

Ironically Isaiah would probably have been one of those for just two verses earlier (7) he declared his sins were atoned for and guilt removed.

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Jerusalem will be trampled by the nations until the Gentile Times are Fulfilled. — Luke 21:24

by Fisherman in

jerusalem will be trampled by the nations until the gentile times are fulfilled.

— luke 21:24 .

the bible book of luke records jesus prophecy of the last day with his parousia including the verse about the gentile times.

peacefulpete

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Jerusalem will be trampled by the nations until the Gentile Times are Fulfilled. — Luke 21:24

by Fisherman in

jerusalem will be trampled by the nations until the gentile times are fulfilled.

— luke 21:24 .

the bible book of luke records jesus prophecy of the last day with his parousia including the verse about the gentile times.

peacefulpete

It's a matter of the heart, not the eyes.

That could be taken as meaning ignore your eyes in favor of a warm feeling

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Jerusalem will be trampled by the nations until the Gentile Times are Fulfilled. — Luke 21:24

by Fisherman in

jerusalem will be trampled by the nations until the gentile times are fulfilled.

— luke 21:24 .

the bible book of luke records jesus prophecy of the last day with his parousia including the verse about the gentile times.

peacefulpete

Your world views involve God using hidden messages, cryptic riddles and secret code words. A sober minded secular view sees the texts as sectarian responses to social injustice with creative use and reuse of metaphor. I enjoy a puzzle as much as most, but I'm also going to look at the 'big picture' on the box.

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Jerusalem will be trampled by the nations until the Gentile Times are Fulfilled. — Luke 21:24

by Fisherman in

jerusalem will be trampled by the nations until the gentile times are fulfilled.

— luke 21:24 .

the bible book of luke records jesus prophecy of the last day with his parousia including the verse about the gentile times.

peacefulpete

My point was that the author of the gospel recension later named Luke possibly drew from both Tobit and Psalms of Solomon as an explanation for the decades of delay.

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Jerusalem will be trampled by the nations until the Gentile Times are Fulfilled. — Luke 21:24

by Fisherman in

jerusalem will be trampled by the nations until the gentile times are fulfilled.

— luke 21:24 .

the bible book of luke records jesus prophecy of the last day with his parousia including the verse about the gentile times.

peacefulpete

You mock those who mistook books like Tobit as inspired? Kettle black my friend

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Ecclesiastes 9:5 -"the dead know nothing at all"

by aqwsed12345 in

the narrator of the book of ecclesiastes had very little knowledge of many things that jesus and his apostles later preached.

the author does not make statements, but only wonders (thinks, observes, often raises questions, and leaves them open).

he looked at the world based on the law of moses and found nothing but vanity, as the earthly reward promised in the law did not always accompany good deeds and earthly punishment for evil deeds.

peacefulpete

It's almost as if beliefs about the dead were evolving over time as the Jews were exposed to other cultures. Imagine that.

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Jerusalem will be trampled by the nations until the Gentile Times are Fulfilled. — Luke 21:24

by Fisherman in

jerusalem will be trampled by the nations until the gentile times are fulfilled.

— luke 21:24 .

the bible book of luke records jesus prophecy of the last day with his parousia including the verse about the gentile times.

peacefulpete

I'm not going to attempt to argue what books of the Jews were "inspired" or not. What I will suggest is recognizing that books like Tobit and Baruch and Psalms of Solomon were widely distributed and regarded as equal to books such as Daniel. As such they contribute much to understanding idiom and religious development. Ignoring the majority of written evidence will surely lead to erroneous conclusions.