Posts by peacefulpete

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Two Powers in Heaven

by peacefulpete in

while this topic might at first seem to come from left field, it has arisen in my mind when reading a number of recent threads.

this topic in full requires many hours of research to fully assimilate but i'm now only introducing the topic and encouraging further reading.

in short, by the end of the common era judaism included various heavenly figures that took on roles that, for all practical purposes, were those of god.

peacefulpete

OK. maybe in another thread we can discuss it.

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Two Powers in Heaven

by peacefulpete in

while this topic might at first seem to come from left field, it has arisen in my mind when reading a number of recent threads.

this topic in full requires many hours of research to fully assimilate but i'm now only introducing the topic and encouraging further reading.

in short, by the end of the common era judaism included various heavenly figures that took on roles that, for all practical purposes, were those of god.

Well both Erhman and Carrier can get pretty excitable. What is a mute point to most people has become a passionate exchange akin to religious fervor. Well consider that Christianity presently holds both positions. Some texts elevate him to divinity while others depict him as incarnate from God's (right side as it were). This tension was a serious division in the early church. Eventually the Orthodoxy declared both as dogma and ignored the textual issues. If you want to understand the actual hypothesis and not that which Erhman likes to refute try : Amazon.com: The End of an Illusion: How Bart Ehrman's "Did Jesus Exist?" Has Laid the Case for an Historical Jesus to Rest eBook : Doherty, Earl: Books

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Two Powers in Heaven

by peacefulpete in

while this topic might at first seem to come from left field, it has arisen in my mind when reading a number of recent threads.

this topic in full requires many hours of research to fully assimilate but i'm now only introducing the topic and encouraging further reading.

in short, by the end of the common era judaism included various heavenly figures that took on roles that, for all practical purposes, were those of god.

peacefulpete

cofty...Erhman , while very willing to shed Christian dogma is still reluctant (to say the least) to consider the possibility that there was no Jesus. The question facing serious scholarship at this point is: Is the hypothesis that a man became deified really more probable than a theological concept, a purely visionary character becoming incarnated? Both have precedents/parallels. Effectively each proposed re-creation draws elements from the purely ethereal and tangible. In my mind the "historical Jesus" has become a secular dogma as unflaggable as a religious position.

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Two Powers in Heaven

by peacefulpete in

while this topic might at first seem to come from left field, it has arisen in my mind when reading a number of recent threads.

this topic in full requires many hours of research to fully assimilate but i'm now only introducing the topic and encouraging further reading.

in short, by the end of the common era judaism included various heavenly figures that took on roles that, for all practical purposes, were those of god.

peacefulpete

Sybylline oracles 345: And4 one shall come again from heaven, a man Preeminent, whose hands on fruitful tree By far the noblest of the Hebrews stretched, Who at one time did make the sun stand still 350 When he spoke with fair word and holy lips, No longer vex thy soul within thy breast By reason of the sword, rich child of God, Flower longed for by him only, goodly light And noble branch, a scion much beloved....

There are many expectations in the late 2nd temple period that contributed to the Jeus/Christ story. If this is of interest to you Phizzy. Or anyone else.

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Two Powers in Heaven

by peacefulpete in

while this topic might at first seem to come from left field, it has arisen in my mind when reading a number of recent threads.

this topic in full requires many hours of research to fully assimilate but i'm now only introducing the topic and encouraging further reading.

in short, by the end of the common era judaism included various heavenly figures that took on roles that, for all practical purposes, were those of god.

peacefulpete

2 Esdras 7:28 My Son Joshua[a] will be revealed along with those who are with him, and those who remain will rejoice for four hundred years.

29 “After these years, my Son the anointed one and all who have human breath will die. 30 The world will be turned back to primeval silence for seven days, as in the earliest beginnings so that no one is left alive.

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Early Christian apocalypses

by Leolaia in

early christian apocalyses

i thought it would be a good idea to put together into a single thread all the early 1st.

cent.

peacefulpete

Recent posters may enjoy this thread. read carefully and enjoy.

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Ruining the Earth2.0

by peacefulpete in

few years ago i did a thread that i hope has helped some folks.

maybe it is time to 'recycle' it.. did the writer of rev 11:18 (ruin those who ruin the earth) somehow anticipate the modern environmental situation, or did he intend something more in keeping with the bible's general concerns of morality and sin?.

secondly, how does the context help to interpret it?.

peacefulpete

you still haven't answered Revelation 8:9 about ships physical objects being "diaphiro"

I did by repeating the definition. The word is a very good parallel to the word ruin in English. It can mean corrupted, despoiled, destroyed etc. That's why 11:18 was a clever antanaclasis. God ...ruin those ruining the earth.

I understood you had access to a professor of ancient Greek.
And I do mean what I said about unplugging from this stuff. Leaving an apocalyptic sect like the WT means being free to think about the beautiful things in life and stop fearing/wishing/preaching about destruction.

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Ruining the Earth2.0

by peacefulpete in

few years ago i did a thread that i hope has helped some folks.

maybe it is time to 'recycle' it.. did the writer of rev 11:18 (ruin those who ruin the earth) somehow anticipate the modern environmental situation, or did he intend something more in keeping with the bible's general concerns of morality and sin?.

secondly, how does the context help to interpret it?.

peacefulpete

raymond franz....Greek for "ruin" is diaphtheirai it is defined as "morally corrupt, defile, destroy" and is used numerous times in the NT and in the Greek translations of OT. So the Greek can mean "destroy those who are corrupting the earth" which would be perfectly consistent with the general message of the authors of the Bible,

I hope that answers your question.

I'm actually quite polite and actually crave thoughtful exchange. So glad you feel like me, free to both share and learn. What part of the last comment to you was incorrect or offensive?

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Internal server error

by peacefulpete in

i've had this happen a number of times.

i know an archived thread regarding luke 22:exists as i was recently reading it, but now is no longer available.

it does not come up when using any combination of words that i know to be in the thread.

peacefulpete

I must be doing something. I tried to post a thread again and it did not appear overnight so this morning I tried again. Now it appears so we have a duplicate.

I tried a quick thread a few days ago that has never appeared. After clicking the blue "Start New Topic" button, the first of 3 stages seems to complete then it just spins stuck on the second stage.

Any way please delete the duplicate thread. Ruining the Earth..2.0

Maybe delete both threads, the comments it has attracted are not helpful and I'm getting too tired of arguing.

Also I have tried to message Simon but messages still are not working. Nothing happens when I click the "send Message" button.

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Ruining the Earth2.0

by peacefulpete in

few years ago i did a thread that i hope has helped some folks.

maybe it is time to 'recycle' it.. did the writer of rev 11:18 (ruin those who ruin the earth) somehow anticipate the modern environmental situation, or did he intend something more in keeping with the bible's general concerns of morality and sin?.

secondly, how does the context help to interpret it?.

peacefulpete

waton, By "ultimate application" you mean free reinterpretation unbounded by context, both textually and culturally but formed by modern technology and fears.