Merry Christmas, and Happy Holidays to all.
peacefulpete
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Merry Christmas
by jhine ini don't think that it is too early to wish everyone a merry christmas and invite you all to join with me in sending festive greetings to everyone .
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peacefulpete
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Remind re: The "Cult" Label
by Simon inif you accuse people of being stuck in jw mindset or "cult-like" mentality simply because someone has a different view of politics than you, you'll be deleted.. it's insulting and a lazy substitute for having any real argument for a proper debate.. what next ... "you smell" ?.
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peacefulpete
OK, Mr M.... Trump told you that when critics rebuked and condemned his dishonesty and abuse of power they were really attacking you. Doesn't that sound like a confidence man's line, when said out loud?
It was never about Trump. It was, and is, always about policy.
What policy? He had no policy. He had slogans and mottos. His economics were anything but conservative and free market.
He did tap into a number of undercurrents in America. He had lots of time to create a persona and messages to appeal.
White low income discontent believed he was going to be their man, middle income Capitalist idealists many of whom already believed in "leftist" conspiracies believed he would uproot a cabal of communists and Islamists, and of course the always ugly racist anti immigrant crowd believed he would support their agenda. No, not everyone who were attracted to him bought into all these messages but together, along with Republican party faithful, they were enough in 2016. He told them each exactly what they wanted to hear. He would save America from the evil "others" that threatened their jobs and conspired to change the country in ways that made them uncomfortable.
In reality his tax cuts during an already thriving economy only benefitted the rich and added huge unnecessary additional debt that will burden the economy for decades. Corporate profit soared, The stock market is now completely detached from reality. His trade fiascos, made hay with his base but in reality deeply hurt manufacturers and farmers. In the end his ballyhooed USMCA is really just Nafta with some minor renegotiations that could have been done without the disruptions and turmoil. His rollback of environmental regulation added zero jobs but will disadvantage America in the new energy markets. Immigration reform was simply knee jerk and ill-conceived and just needlessly cruel. The Republicans unconstitutionally blocked court nominations till they had a Republican in office so Trump now brags about having stacked the courts for conservatives. His loyalty was not earned it was the product of manipulation of social unrest and distrust of authorities. His deeply flawed character was acknowledged by a majority of supporters in a recent poll. So to those of us not under his spell, your support is truly bewildering.
Sorry my Dad just fell and was taken to the hospital minutes ago.
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Remind re: The "Cult" Label
by Simon inif you accuse people of being stuck in jw mindset or "cult-like" mentality simply because someone has a different view of politics than you, you'll be deleted.. it's insulting and a lazy substitute for having any real argument for a proper debate.. what next ... "you smell" ?.
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peacefulpete
I still don't think you quite get it.
I get it. Do a search for how many hostile and insulting times the names Clinton,Obama and AOC have been used as an abbreviation for a whole narrative of perceived crimes. You will find at least as many. Kettle black my friend. This why these topics have to be reserved for specific political areas and then have rules of behavior enforced consistently.
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Will You Take A Covid Vac!
by minimus inyes.
right now i would like to see how good the vaccine really is.
i’ve never taken a flu shot and so far, no flu..
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peacefulpete
I deal with older customers everyday. I take the flue vaccine each year for them and my parents. I will take the covid vaccine when it is available to me. I have just recovered from Covid19 so I have some immunity till then.
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Remind re: The "Cult" Label
by Simon inif you accuse people of being stuck in jw mindset or "cult-like" mentality simply because someone has a different view of politics than you, you'll be deleted.. it's insulting and a lazy substitute for having any real argument for a proper debate.. what next ... "you smell" ?.
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peacefulpete
Although I think there are far, far more cases of people taking "retribution" against people voting for Trump than vice-versa. Either way, anyone doing this is an idiot.
I know that's what you "think". It is not the case however. Make an account to read. https://www.jstor.org/stable/43783825?seq=1
Straw-man. There are more options than a rigid, structured debate format or else a free-for-call where insults and name calling is allowed. Like maybe a normal discussion by sensible resonable people.
Go back to the discussions and remind yourself of the tract record. Who engaged in name calling, and insulting language, both sides. There really isn't many options, people typically descend to the worst behavior when they are upset.
The only thing I'm not allowing is the unrelated, drive-by, insults that are always variations on "but, but, Orange Man BAD!". THAT is what get's boring.
And that is how it is being heard.
Right, but we don't have to follow most other platforms which allow conservatives to be discriminated against just because they support Trump.
How about protecting those of other political positions? Are their feelings less worthy of your concern? Every one would benefit from changes to how we deal with overheated politics.
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Remind re: The "Cult" Label
by Simon inif you accuse people of being stuck in jw mindset or "cult-like" mentality simply because someone has a different view of politics than you, you'll be deleted.. it's insulting and a lazy substitute for having any real argument for a proper debate.. what next ... "you smell" ?.
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peacefulpete
There simply isn't enough JW related news to discuss and engage people 24x7 for years on end
Establishing a forum with that stated purpose of helping people escape and rebuild lives after the WT was a generous and thankless task. Keeping it operating for those thousands leaving every day might be an even bigger sacrifice. It's a lot like being a family counselor. It's got to get difficult to maintain interest after years of hearing the same issues over and over. Maybe it's time some of us left for other pastures if we just don't want to discuss the WT related issues anymore. There will be new blood if the forum is welcoming.
Politics have changed and forums are struggling to keep things civil everywhere. It's the issue of the decade.
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Remind re: The "Cult" Label
by Simon inif you accuse people of being stuck in jw mindset or "cult-like" mentality simply because someone has a different view of politics than you, you'll be deleted.. it's insulting and a lazy substitute for having any real argument for a proper debate.. what next ... "you smell" ?.
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peacefulpete
That's not how a discussion forum works, you are describing something more akin to a structured debate.
Yes, that is what you said you wanted. A reasonably argued meaningful debate free of name calling, stereotyping, and gotcha digs and insults. Can't have it both ways. Well some have the discipline, but many do not. A free-for-all board hashing contentious issues just alienates and entrenches. Its a substantial reason social media is implicated in furthering division. Forums like this one, face that fact at some point. Either you limit the topics and establish behavior rules or you accept becoming something biased something that retains only those who like echo chambers. Honestly Simon this site has long ago crossed that line for many posters. Many of the past best posters left because of the constant caustic politics. You know that.
If we took a vote, I'd bet even those still here would prefer political discussions be limited to one section and not allowed to creep into every topic.
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Remind re: The "Cult" Label
by Simon inif you accuse people of being stuck in jw mindset or "cult-like" mentality simply because someone has a different view of politics than you, you'll be deleted.. it's insulting and a lazy substitute for having any real argument for a proper debate.. what next ... "you smell" ?.
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peacefulpete
My wife's 92 year old Grandma was just told last week she was no longer welcome in the home of another of her grandchilldren since she voted for Biden. This kind of politics we can do without.
Without rules political "debates" are just WWE wrestling with rowdier fans.
If a Trump supporter chooses a single narrow topic, have spent 10 minutes fact checking, allows only 2 people to participate so as to allow for a constructive development of thought, refrains from using insulting language and implications, addresses the previous post with a response, I and many here would engage in a meaningful discussion. We do want to understand you. You must help us by slowing down and take things one small topic at a time without the vitriol that dominates our times.
Now then, what one topic Simon, narrow enough to have a meaningful coverage have you always wanted to discuss? Start a new thread with those rules, announce the participants and lets see if that can't work. A moderator would be helpful to keep participants to the rules and on topic. I'm game.
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8 Year Old Can Decide If They Are Transgendered
by minimus inso says joe biden.. anybody agree with this?
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Remind re: The "Cult" Label
by Simon inif you accuse people of being stuck in jw mindset or "cult-like" mentality simply because someone has a different view of politics than you, you'll be deleted.. it's insulting and a lazy substitute for having any real argument for a proper debate.. what next ... "you smell" ?.
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peacefulpete
It would improve the character of this forum if all forms of "insulting" and "lazy" name calling would be discouraged. Isn't that so Simon?