So... it' a baseless conspiracy theory to suggest that baseless conspiracy theories exist and are dangerous?
peacefulpete
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Today Dr. Peter McCullough said 'conspiracy theory' (which is in the April 2024 Watchtower) is a propaganda term! 😲
by was a new boy in"misinformation, disinformation, science, this antiscience, uh conspiracy theory, these are propaganda terms.".
'don't use them' he says.
@ 19:33. https://youtu.be/miauulndllq?t=1173.
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The Evolution of Judas Iscariot
by Leolaia inthe story of judas iscariot in the gospels provides the reader with a fascinating picture of how the plot and details of the narratives were gleaned from the ot and embellished in different ways.
the evangelists and the tradents that preceded them looked to the ot (and other affiliated literature) for information on what happened to jesus, employing a haggadaic method of biblical interpretation similar to how rabbis and authors of pseudepigraphs in the second temple era expanded the brief stories of the patriarchs in genesis with reams of new detail and legendary episodes -- through the means of exegesis aimed to penetrate beyond a plain reading of the text to "fill in the blanks" of what must have happened.
the authors of the gospels also scoured through the ot to discover what was supposed to happen to jesus and wrote their stories accordingly.
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peacefulpete
The very essence of second temple Judaism (for want of a better word) was typological reading of OT stories with some perceived relevance to contemporary issues. What happened before would happen again as it were. Every letter of Tanakh was seen as brimming with significance beyond the text at face value. You of course know that.
Sectarian self identification with heroes and events of the past was everywhere.
Apart from that later usage, the OT itself is a collection of retellings of creation and savior cycles. Splitting of waters is famously obvious. IOW whatever the terminology preferred, the idea of perceiving an providential connection/equation of the past with the present/future is a very common concept in much of the ancient world including within Judaism.
That being the case, it's not surprising the sectarian authors of the Gospels made full use of the OT and related works in the creation of the narrative about a savior whose name (Joshuah/Jesus) itself drawn from these texts.
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The Evolution of Judas Iscariot
by Leolaia inthe story of judas iscariot in the gospels provides the reader with a fascinating picture of how the plot and details of the narratives were gleaned from the ot and embellished in different ways.
the evangelists and the tradents that preceded them looked to the ot (and other affiliated literature) for information on what happened to jesus, employing a haggadaic method of biblical interpretation similar to how rabbis and authors of pseudepigraphs in the second temple era expanded the brief stories of the patriarchs in genesis with reams of new detail and legendary episodes -- through the means of exegesis aimed to penetrate beyond a plain reading of the text to "fill in the blanks" of what must have happened.
the authors of the gospels also scoured through the ot to discover what was supposed to happen to jesus and wrote their stories accordingly.
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peacefulpete
In another article on this topic of Midrashic typology in the NT,
https://www.biblicalstudies.org.uk/pdf/eq/1979-1_022.pdf
An early effort is made to explain the use of the word in a footnote:
1 It is not the purpose of this article to propose a precise definition of the terms midrash and midrashic. For a discussion of this problem see Le Deaut, "Apropos a Definition of Midrash," Int. 25 (1971) pp. 259-82, and Wright, "The Literary Genre Midrash," CBQ 28 (1966) pp. 105-38,417-57. In this article the term midrash will be used rather loosely. We will be considering many NT passages which comment upon the OT; such passages are "midrashic" in at least the etymological sense of the word, regardless how much they may differ from the halakhic or haggadic midrash. We need some term by which to refer to such passages, and "midrash" seems a logical choice. Some writers use this term in a different sense. For example S. Sandmel (The First Christian Century in Judaism and Christianity [New York: Oxford, 1967] p. 188) speaks of the gospels as a midrash on the life of Jesus. But in this article the term will be restricted to passages which comment upon the OT.
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The Evolution of Judas Iscariot
by Leolaia inthe story of judas iscariot in the gospels provides the reader with a fascinating picture of how the plot and details of the narratives were gleaned from the ot and embellished in different ways.
the evangelists and the tradents that preceded them looked to the ot (and other affiliated literature) for information on what happened to jesus, employing a haggadaic method of biblical interpretation similar to how rabbis and authors of pseudepigraphs in the second temple era expanded the brief stories of the patriarchs in genesis with reams of new detail and legendary episodes -- through the means of exegesis aimed to penetrate beyond a plain reading of the text to "fill in the blanks" of what must have happened.
the authors of the gospels also scoured through the ot to discover what was supposed to happen to jesus and wrote their stories accordingly.
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The Evolution of Judas Iscariot
by Leolaia inthe story of judas iscariot in the gospels provides the reader with a fascinating picture of how the plot and details of the narratives were gleaned from the ot and embellished in different ways.
the evangelists and the tradents that preceded them looked to the ot (and other affiliated literature) for information on what happened to jesus, employing a haggadaic method of biblical interpretation similar to how rabbis and authors of pseudepigraphs in the second temple era expanded the brief stories of the patriarchs in genesis with reams of new detail and legendary episodes -- through the means of exegesis aimed to penetrate beyond a plain reading of the text to "fill in the blanks" of what must have happened.
the authors of the gospels also scoured through the ot to discover what was supposed to happen to jesus and wrote their stories accordingly.
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peacefulpete
It's helpful to think of the Gospel stories as OT midrash. Nearly every story element was drawn from past stories. Moses, Samuel, Joseph, David and others provided the details. This was in fact revealed by the authors through the continued phrase, "to fulfill or according to the scriptures"
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The Evolution of Judas Iscariot
by Leolaia inthe story of judas iscariot in the gospels provides the reader with a fascinating picture of how the plot and details of the narratives were gleaned from the ot and embellished in different ways.
the evangelists and the tradents that preceded them looked to the ot (and other affiliated literature) for information on what happened to jesus, employing a haggadaic method of biblical interpretation similar to how rabbis and authors of pseudepigraphs in the second temple era expanded the brief stories of the patriarchs in genesis with reams of new detail and legendary episodes -- through the means of exegesis aimed to penetrate beyond a plain reading of the text to "fill in the blanks" of what must have happened.
the authors of the gospels also scoured through the ot to discover what was supposed to happen to jesus and wrote their stories accordingly.
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peacefulpete
Just a follow up interesting detail. Papias is ostensibly quoted twice in Apollinarius' work. Leolaia focused on the longer version for much of her verbal analyses. The shorter version retains the chariot/wagon element but has him actually run over by one.
First the longer as discussed in the OP:
Judas walked about as an example of godlessness in this world, having been bloated so much in the flesh that he could not go through where a chariot goes easily, indeed not even his swollen head by itself. For the lids of his eyes, they say, were so puffed up that he could not see the light, and his own eyes could not be seen, not even by a physician with optics, such depth had they from the outer apparent surface. And his genitalia appeared more disgusting and greater than all formlessness, and he bore through them from his whole body flowing pus and worms, and to his shame these things alone were forced [out]. And after many tortures and torments, they say, when he had come to his end in his own place, from the place became deserted and uninhabited until now from the stench, but not even to this day can anyone go by that place unless they pinch their nostrils with their hands, so great did the outflow from his body spread out upon the earth.
Next the shorter version:
Judas lived his career in this world as an enormous example of impiety. He was so swollen in the flesh that he could not pass where a chariot could easily pass. Having been crushed by a chariot, his entrails poured out.
Was Apollinarius misquoting Papias or had Papias offered two renditions of the legend in different contexts? Apollinarius quotes the one in his commentary on Acts and the other in a commentary on Matthew.
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Ever changing teachings of Jehovah's Witnesses
by Vanderhoven7 insome might be interested in this comprehensive list of changes and reversals in the channel of truth.. reading history:.
ever-changing teachings of jehovah's witnesses.
the most important changes in the doctrine of the watchtower society in the years 1879-2015. .
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peacefulpete
Too long to copy and paste. You just need to create an account. It's free and the website is a good resource for research.
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Lost Gospel Series
by peacefulpete ini thought it would be fun to take a brief look at various gospels in use by christians of the first few centuries ce.
one each week.
a few weeks back i posted regarding the egerton gospel which i cleverly misspelled edgerton gospel.. for now consider the oxyrhynchus gospel 840:.
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peacefulpete
I thought it would be fun to take a brief look at various Gospels in use by Christians of the first few centuries CE. One each week. A few weeks back I posted regarding the Egerton Gospel which I cleverly misspelled Edgerton Gospel.
For now consider the Oxyrhynchus Gospel 840:
". . . earlier, before doing wrong, he slyly reasons everything out. Be careful that you do not end up suffering the same fate as them. For the evil-doers of humanity receive retribution not only among the living, but they will also undergo punishment and much torture later."
Taking them along, he went into the place of purification itself and wandered around in the temple. Then a certain high priest of the Pharisees named Levi came toward them and said to the savior, "Who permitted you to wander in this place of purification and to see these holy vessels, even though you have not bathed and the feet of your disciples have not been washed? And now that you have defiled it, you walk around in this pure area of the temple where only a person who has bathed and changed his clothes can walk, and even such a person does not dare to look upon these holy vessels."
Standing nearby with his disciples, the savior replied, "Since you are here in the temple too, are you clean?"
The Pharisee said to him, "I am clean. For I bathed in the pool of David. I went down into the pool by one set of stairs and came back out by another. Then I put on white clothes and they were clean. And then I came and looked at these holy vessels."
Replying to him, the savior said, "Woe to blind people who do not see! You have washed in the gushing waters that dogs and pigs are thrown into day and night. And when you washed yourself, you scrubbed the outer layer of skin, the layer of skin that prostitutes and flute-girls anoint and wash and scrub when they put on make up to become the desire of the men. But inside they are filled with scorpions and all unrighteousness. But my disciples and I, whom you say have not washed, we have washed in waters of eternal life that come from the God of heaven. But woe to those . . . "The fragment preserved was a 4th century portable codex copy, perhaps meant for public instruction, but the text is dated much earlier, mid first to mid second century. Similar in age to the Canonical Gospels, this text shows similar styling and theme yet, as far as this fragment can tell us, no direct dependence on them. This is an original composition, another apparently independent Gospel tradition tragically lost.
Recall the Synoptic Gospels (Mark, Matt and Luke) are in reality just 3 recensions of the same story. Gospel John shows a familiarity with the Synoptics but is no mere redaction, rather an original retelling with a flavor distinctive of a community on the fringes of what the Catholic Fathers can accommodate in their efforts to formulate a universalizing dogma. That's what makes the G.John so much more interesting. Same would probably be said of Oxy 840 had it survived. What we do know is that it was treasured and preserved for hundreds of years.
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Quince?
by peacefulpete inanyone have a quince tree?
we found one growing by a large brick building and picked some fruit last summer.
a bit too far north normally but this one survives.
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peacefulpete
Not being familiar with your reference I had to research it. Edward Lear never made much of an appearance in the US. Sounds like another tragic troubled poet.
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Quince?
by peacefulpete inanyone have a quince tree?
we found one growing by a large brick building and picked some fruit last summer.
a bit too far north normally but this one survives.
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peacefulpete
Anyone have a quince tree? We found one growing by a large brick building and picked some fruit last summer. A bit too far north normally but this one survives. We made a sauce with it, lots of sugar, not sure what else to do. Figured we could use it somehow later. I'm now looking at the jars, any ideas?