Posts by peacefulpete

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Jesus and Thomas twin theory?

by Anony Mous in

in light of the recent attack on indian jws i did some research about christianity in india and found out that india has a long history of christian influence, and not, like many of us probably believed, brought by the british, rather india has had christians for 2000 years.. matter of fact, they may be similar length and claim to the ‘original’ christians only equal by the roman (european), syrian (middle eastern) and ethiopian (african) christians.

the story goes that judas thomas (aka doubting thomas or dydimus) (literally translated: dydimus = twin (greek) and tomas = twin (aramaic)), the twin brother of jesus travelled to india and did some miracles along the way, started the church there, hence deification of thomas is common there.. i found some articles written by eg.

bart ehrman supporting this theory, personally not that much of a fan, but i know many interested in jw exegesis as he supports various fringe theories including wtbts claim to the name jehovah.. the claims of jesus’ twin brother seem to be supported by the original writings, including the gospel as we know it in the west (almost every canonical gospel writer alludes to the twin), but also various other non-canonical writings and at least 3 complete gospels claimed to be by thomas himself (although the oldest writings stem from the first, second and third century respectively).

peacefulpete

Th 'Twin" belief is not a late tradition but rather apparently actually predates the writing, or at least distribution, of the 4 canonical Gospels. Not surprisingly many, many traditions circulated around the Jesus figure. The church Fathers themselves repeated stories that are not only not in the 4 Gospels (later Canonized) but contradicting them. Pious mythmaking was endemic for hundreds of years, in fact never ended. (e.g. Book of Mormon) The Gospels themselves differ regarding Jesus having brothers due to active 'enhancement' and editing to refute Adoptionism (Jesus the man was adopted by God) and Docetism (Jesus was merely a spirit appearing to be a man) . Ironically, the idea that Jesus had brother named Judas (aka, Didymus the Twin) was useful for refuting the Docetists but leant to the Adoptionists' argument that Jeus birth was not miraculous. The solution may well have been to make the identification of Didymus and Judas obscure in the forms of the Gospel that the Proto-Orthodoxy had massaged.

In other words, that Jesus had a twin brother was believed in some circles for many years. The 4 canonical Gospels were not the only pious stories. There were earlier versions and later ones.

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The Moral World of the First Christians

by peacefulpete in

i've been slowly digesting another well researched book regarding christian origins.. the moral world of the first christians (library of early christianity): meeks, wayne a.: 9780664250140: amazon.com: books.

a wonderful review of the major streams of judaism and greek religion that contributed to the ethos of the first century.

strongly recommend it.

peacefulpete

Sorry for the duplicate threads. It did not appear for 2 days again.

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A Coin With a Remarkable History

by cofty in

over the years i have shared a few examples of objects i have found while metal detecting near my home in northumberland in ne england.

i live in a rural estate that was the site of a medieval village with a manor house and defensive tower.

many of the things i find illustrate the amazing history of the location.

peacefulpete

Coins are minted history. All the intrigue and scandal, power struggles and assassinations become real when you hold them in your hand.

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Book Recommendation

by peacefulpete in

i've been slowly digesting another well researched book regarding christian origins.. the moral world of the first christians (library of early christianity): meeks, wayne a.: 9780664250140: amazon.com: books.

a wonderful review of the major streams of judaism and greek religion that contributed to the ethos of the first century.

strongly recommend it.

peacefulpete

I've been slowly digesting another well researched book regarding Christian origins.

The Moral World of the First Christians (Library of Early Christianity): Meeks, Wayne A.: 9780664250140: Amazon.com: Books

A wonderful review of the major streams of Judaism and Greek religion that contributed to the ethos of the first century. Strongly recommend it. As the author makes abundantly clear "Judaism" was a very diverse identification, groups with perhaps little more in common than the belief that they were 'Israel' and God's chosen. Meeks, the author, then gathers documentation revealing the finer points of identification and contention among early Christians. I felt there was value in the entirety but especially in his outlines of pre-70CE Judaism.

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If you love your life and freedom, stay away from your embassies.

by was a new boy in

german authorities kidnap reiner fuellmich in mexico – interview with fuellmich and the covid investigation committee.

https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/world-news/corruption/german-authorities-kidnap-reiner-fuellmich-in-mexico-interview-with-fuellmich-and-the-covid-investigation-committee/.

'on 2 october 2018, jamal khashoggi, a saudi dissident journalist, was killed by agents of the saudi government at the saudi consulate in istanbul, turkey'.

peacefulpete

‘Fake Pandemic’ Conspiracy Lawyer Arrested After Claims He Ripped Off His Followers (vice.com)

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The Moral World of the First Christians

by peacefulpete in

i've been slowly digesting another well researched book regarding christian origins.. the moral world of the first christians (library of early christianity): meeks, wayne a.: 9780664250140: amazon.com: books.

a wonderful review of the major streams of judaism and greek religion that contributed to the ethos of the first century.

strongly recommend it.

peacefulpete

I've been slowly digesting another well researched book regarding Christian origins.

The Moral World of the First Christians (Library of Early Christianity): Meeks, Wayne A.: 9780664250140: Amazon.com: Books

A wonderful review of the major streams of Judaism and Greek religion that contributed to the ethos of the first century. Strongly recommend it. As the author makes abundantly clear "Judaism" was a very diverse identification, groups with perhaps little more in common than the belief that they were uniquely chosen to be God's people. Meeks, the author, then gathers documentation revealing the finer points of identification and contention among early Christians.

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J.W org and Noah's Flood

by Phizzy in

i remember when i was "in" the org.

had a ridiculous public talk outline defending the genesis flood myth.. do they have a current one doing that ?.

peacefulpete

I've shared this before but when I was at Bethel I found the very books the WT writers quoted for their particular pseudoscientific take on the flood stories. Velikovsky's World's in Collision and Wesley's The Bibical Flood and the Ice Epoch were underlined and marked up with the exact phrases and quotes in the WT literature. At the time I was confident that the works were credible and useful. I bought the books and used material for the Noah talk I gave a few times. However, it was clear even then that some of their ideas were unsupportable. Fast forward a few years and the reality hit me. I closeted my thoughts for a while until eventually it all came down in a crash.

There will always be a way to misuse science to convince people who wish to be convinced of supernaturalism.

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If you were to design a new religion?

by ExBethelitenowPIMA in

what the jw sect has become and is slowly becoming is far more near what i thought could be a good religion based on the bible.. no more counting hours and no more blindly following direction now they admit they are not inspired.. i would like to design a new sect inside the jws.

it has to be kept secret because the elders would not like it.. this new sect involves giving a tick every month or so saying you are still kindof active talking about the bible.. going to meetings occasionally and attending on zoom sometimes.

very rarely go to ministry groups but don’t ever do first call, just say you are doing street work and have a nice walk somewhere maybe the shops or the park.

peacefulpete

ExBethelitePIMA...........Religion and belief systems are a human equivalent to exoskeletons. They are rigid and confining on one hand but seemingly offer safety and protection on the other. As an animal or person grows the exoskeleton must be shed. This is for both animals and people, a vulnerable time. Sometimes they fall victim to the spores of extremism or fall to self-harm. Sometimes the exoskeleton molt fails to completely occur, and the poor creature drags a shell of their former life around. Unable to grow, unable to eat, they must hide in the shadows. Such creatures die in nature but humans have the unfortunate fate of continuing in that state, complaining about what's happened but unable/unwilling to complete the transition to a new life.

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Another Inspiring Story

by peacefulpete in

“i knew the repercussions of leaving” (chronicle.com).

she did not see any role models around her, and the organization’s requirements and expectations “steered me away from the things i wanted to do in my life.” at age 18, she decided to leave the religion, “even though it was hard, even though it was confusing, and scary … and painful,” to pursue her dreams and goals..

peacefulpete

Phizzy, I'm doing well, thanks for caring. Honestly, I find myself having church dreams after posting too much here. lol. Dreams where I'm on stage to give a talk but have no idea what about. I step away from the computer, and it all happily fades away again.

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If you were to design a new religion?

by ExBethelitenowPIMA in

what the jw sect has become and is slowly becoming is far more near what i thought could be a good religion based on the bible.. no more counting hours and no more blindly following direction now they admit they are not inspired.. i would like to design a new sect inside the jws.

it has to be kept secret because the elders would not like it.. this new sect involves giving a tick every month or so saying you are still kindof active talking about the bible.. going to meetings occasionally and attending on zoom sometimes.

very rarely go to ministry groups but don’t ever do first call, just say you are doing street work and have a nice walk somewhere maybe the shops or the park.

peacefulpete

Cake - Building a religion - YouTube