PIMOs, I bet your families are aware of what you think is concealed. They probably talk about it among themselves and with Elders. They may not want to press the issue for fear of losing you. Sometimes silence is best, but lying and pretending corrodes trust and intimacy, and isn't that why we have relationships?
peacefulpete
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Staying in physically for all the benefits
by Indoubtbigtime ini wonder how many are like me staying pimo for the great association and gathering etc.
also find it very interesting having a front row seat watching the collapse of borg.. im not wasting any more time or money on anything i don’t want to do like preaching and mostly just go on zoom .
there is nothing i want to do that would be considered disfellowshiping sin, i’m married and want to live by bible principles but i have serious doubts that the gb were chosen by god and are his one and only spokesmen on earth.
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Common sense on Jockland's gender Bill
by LoveUniHateExams innicola sturgeon's daft plan to introduce a gender bill which allows anyone aged 16 and over to legally change gender without a doctor's diagnosis of gender dysphoria has rightly been stopped by pm rishi sunak.. under the rules of devolvement, the uk government can overrule holyrood if the pm so chooses.. lots of predictable howling form the scotch nuts, with ridiculous claims that rishi is trying to organise a fight with holyrood.
of course, it's actually the other way round - the snp has been trying to pass this gender bill in order to drive a wedge between scotland and the rest of the uk.. sensibly, rishi has pulled rank on sturgeon and stopped her nonsense.. nicola sturgeon needs to know her place ....
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peacefulpete
My nephew now identifies as a woman. She's the same caring intelligent person, just now acting and looking like she always felt she should have. She's not a pervert or rapist. She left the WT because of bigoted comments like these.
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Did the ransom sacrifice even work?
by Sharpie inshower thought entered my mind the other day... jesus christ.
as per doctrine.
is still alive in heaven right now correct?
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peacefulpete
Ironically, Sea Breeze. I mostly agree with you. It's actually the position of many derided as Jesus Mythers. Xtian origins are proposed to have been from visions of a purely spirit hypostasis fulfilling descriptions among a set of Hellenized Jews. The conviction of a son of God/ son of man descending from the highest heavens to either a low level of heaven or earth to be killed on a tree by the dark forces of evil. I'd certainly describe this as a high Christology. Paul seems to have had his own visions or adaptations, perhaps he was the one who connected this death on a tree to Roman crucifixion, maybe his innovation was simply the full abandonment of the Jewish codes.
It was soon later overlain with a narrative of human existence using OT midrash for most every detail. The conclusion of being crucified typical of many would-be messiahs of the time.
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Research paper on Effects of Shunning
by peacefulpete inafter being around this site for 21 years now, i've heard many recount their stories and feelings.
many times i can immediately relate but other times they seem to have had a very different experience with the church.
i'm sure that is because not only are all of us different in personality, but congregations and family dynamics vary as well.
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On another thread I reminded readers that Paul spoke of himself as having been fated before birth to be the instrument of God. Narcissism is pretty typical of high level religious leaders. Even among those not having visions or hearing voices. For most the role comes gradually, if after offering advice or opinion people respond with respect and admiration, it becomes a drug for some. The blinding belief that you know best naturally leads to condemning contrary views.
I agree with both those who hesitate to attribute coldly nefarious motives but also agree that the efforts to control thinking are systemic. IMO, the analogy to addiction works on many levels, lots of addicts are also dealers.
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Research paper on Effects of Shunning
by peacefulpete inafter being around this site for 21 years now, i've heard many recount their stories and feelings.
many times i can immediately relate but other times they seem to have had a very different experience with the church.
i'm sure that is because not only are all of us different in personality, but congregations and family dynamics vary as well.
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peacefulpete
The self identification numbers suggest to me there are millions of miserable people on the outside believing they are failures or unworthy. This enduring control is a primary reason the religion is dangerous.
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Research paper on Effects of Shunning
by peacefulpete inafter being around this site for 21 years now, i've heard many recount their stories and feelings.
many times i can immediately relate but other times they seem to have had a very different experience with the church.
i'm sure that is because not only are all of us different in personality, but congregations and family dynamics vary as well.
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The paper was brief and sample was small so of course it has it's limits in describing the experience of a larger set of people. The article still illustrates the variety of negative effects. Myself and my wife, we had the pain of losing some family but also the joy of reuniting with others. Intellectually it was a liberating experience overall. For some, obviously the world seems to be a scary place, and they struggle to embrace it's realities.
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Did the ransom sacrifice even work?
by Sharpie inshower thought entered my mind the other day... jesus christ.
as per doctrine.
is still alive in heaven right now correct?
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Hope for good things is healthy. Hope for impossible things is denial.
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where did I first hear these words together?
by enoughisenough infor many years the only place i heard the words " new world order" together or the words "new system" were in the meeting talks or maybe we endeavored to explain them to people we witnessed to.
i just find it interesting that the worldly institutions are using the same word terms.
i just saw an article of some 5 points that came out of this last davos meeting, and all five of these points were using the term "new system" in the changes they want to force mankind into .i am wondering what is the likelihood of the most powerful people on earth borrowing words from a "hated" religion.
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Research paper on Effects of Shunning
by peacefulpete inafter being around this site for 21 years now, i've heard many recount their stories and feelings.
many times i can immediately relate but other times they seem to have had a very different experience with the church.
i'm sure that is because not only are all of us different in personality, but congregations and family dynamics vary as well.
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After being around this site for 21 years now, I've heard many recount their stories and feelings. Many times I can immediately relate but other times they seem to have had a very different experience with the church. I'm sure that is because not only are all of us different in personality, but congregations and family dynamics vary as well. Here is a simple study wherein the author interviewed a number of former JWs. (warning it may trigger memories and pain).
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Did the ransom sacrifice even work?
by Sharpie inshower thought entered my mind the other day... jesus christ.
as per doctrine.
is still alive in heaven right now correct?
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Skeptics aren't suggesting that that the apostles and others died for their beliefs. They are asking Christians to believe that the apostles and others died for their lies, for something they KNEW to not be true; because they said they were eye-witnesses.
Nothing establishes a new movement like a few martyrs. Generously assuming that legends about their deaths are historical, all we have is a tale as old as religion. People killing and dying for their faith. Are to presume every visionary or prophet or who was killed must have been divinely moved?
First we have Paul, like DisiJW just said Paul claimed only to have been fated, chosen before birth to be a visionary.
But when he who had set me apart before I was born, and who called me by his grace, was pleased to reveal his Son to me, in order that I might preach him among the Gentiles…
He also claimed to have had visions of the layers of heaven (as was commonly believed see Enoch) and heard secret unspeakable things that he kept to himself. (2Cor12)
After years of preaching Paul goes to Jerusalem, to get to know a Cephus. More than a decade later he returned to Jerusalem again, met with Cephus, a John and a James. He did not mention anything about "eyewitnesses" only that they 'were esteemed to be pillars' in their church. The gospels had not yet been created so as to give these names a significance beyond that.
Concerning the Gospels, we have a late anonymous narrative (Mark) filled with OT midrash that was anonymously redacted and expanded with even more midrash and legend. If this was the work of eyewitnesses, they surely would not have needed to cut and paste Mark and the OT as is evident the writers did.
The only mention of eyewitnesses I can think of is in 1Cor 15 that leaps out as a formulaic creedal interpolation. It reflects a later layer of mythmaking not even seen in the Gospels and Acts.
I know this review is not going to change your mind, but at least stop misrepresenting the position of those who are not convinced of the miraculous claims in Xtian writings.