Grandparents 1890's/1900's (not JWs)
Parents 1930's (1st gen)
Me 1950's (2nd gen)
Children 1980's (3rd gen)
Grandchildren recently (4th gen?)
My children overlapped with one of their greatgrandparents... does that count as one generation???
tornapart
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This will be fun. What is your generation count?
by Defianttruth inthe wbts teaches a overlapping (generation) will not pass away since 1914 right?.
what is your personal genealogy.
(1) my great grand father was born in 1901. he became active with the bible students around 1910. .
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Can i be df'd for this?
by awakening inhi, i really need some advice here.
i was selected to play in a sports team representing the country i live in.
it's no big deal as it wont create any kind of major publicity.
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tornapart
What about Venus and Serena Williams? They play for their country and both claim to be active witnesses. If anyone tries to target you, you could point to them as an example.
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"Jehovah ALWAYS had/used an organization". How would you reply?
by EdenOne inin a recent meeting with elders, an argument was used to the effect that jehovah has always [= throughout history] used, or operated through, an organization; therefore, the wts must be that organization today, since god must be using one.
naturally, i know what arguments i've used to counter that argument.
but i'm interested in hearing yours.
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tornapart
I usually say that God dealt primarily with individuals. As for Israel, it wasn't an 'organisation', it was a Nation. They rejected God as king (1 Sam 8:7) and things went from bad to worse. 'Organisation' wasn't a good thing, it was a bad thing in God's eyes. He had the Assyrians and Babylonians destroy it when it got too bad and then later Jesus condemned it. I've tried this tack with my hubby and he hasn't got a thing to say against it.
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Archangels
by dog is god inbeng raised n da troof i thought there was one archangel, michael ( aka jesus ).
so i am talking to a woman who mentions that she named her cats after the archangels (plural).
how could i have missed that little gem?
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tornapart
If you read the book of Enoch (alluded to by Jude) it will tell you lots more about the archangels.
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Earthly Organization Reset - What Would You Do?
by committeechairman ini've been reading and posting comments on this site for a while now (about a year) and the comments i see indicate that many who are here have good ideas about what would be required if either (1) jehovah's witnesses were completely reset and the whole framework of belief and organization were started over or (2) if a completely new organization were built.
this assumes, of course, that you believe god exists and that he is interested in human affairs (i know some of you don't).
it also assumes that you do not believe that the "heritage" of jehovah's witnesses has such great weight and importance that it precludes putting all beliefs and procedures on the table to examine them and change them if necessary.. given all this, what do you believe should be the beliefs and organization of true worship today?
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tornapart
Definitely to be done away with. All it's for is control. I don't do much FS so I am 'spirtually weak'. They want to guilt trip the brothers into doing more, more, more... at the risk of their mental, emotional and spiritual health. Too many are burning out because of it.
Where's the love of God and fellow man in it? It's all about numbers, guilt, self-righteousness, duty, obligation and fear.
Doesn't the bible say 'Love throws fear outside' ? If FS was done with a heart full of love there is no need for time slips!
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Earthly Organization Reset - What Would You Do?
by committeechairman ini've been reading and posting comments on this site for a while now (about a year) and the comments i see indicate that many who are here have good ideas about what would be required if either (1) jehovah's witnesses were completely reset and the whole framework of belief and organization were started over or (2) if a completely new organization were built.
this assumes, of course, that you believe god exists and that he is interested in human affairs (i know some of you don't).
it also assumes that you do not believe that the "heritage" of jehovah's witnesses has such great weight and importance that it precludes putting all beliefs and procedures on the table to examine them and change them if necessary.. given all this, what do you believe should be the beliefs and organization of true worship today?
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tornapart
How I believe it should be.
Loosely organised with congregations being autonomous. No rigidity in either beliefs or purpose. The unity should be love based and not works based. No heirachy. All are merely brothers with only Christ as Master.
No one should be penalised or castigated for having different views. Elders should have far less to do, the red tape should be got rid of and brothers and sisters should be free to live their lives as they wish, according to their own bible based consciences. Elders should be there to be real shepherds, looking after the physical needs of the sick, elderly and destitute. Spritual needs should be cared for in a non legalistic way.
Unscriptural beliefs as far as I see it:-
Jesus is mediator of ALL and not of only 144,000.
Great Crowd are a heavenly group (all christians)
Emblems are to be partaken of by ALL christians
8 billion people are NOT going to die at Armageddon. It will not be only JWs who are saved.
The 'other sheep' are gentiles. The little flock are 1stC christian jews.
Baptism questions are totally wrong now.
Jesus became king in 33CE and not 1914
When he comes again it will be visible and not invisible
Overlapping generation is a farce
607 BCE is totally wrong.
The 'faithful and discreet slave' is a parable and not a prophecy. (Just like the slaves with the talents)
No single group of brothers should be above their other brothers.
There are many other things I think should be changed. However, I can't see it ever happening!
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What was the subject of the Watchtower Study this past Sunday?
by Lynnie ini have a psycho cousin that has decided to go back to the jw's after never wanting to be a jw even though.
now in her early thirties she's decided to join up.
i heard her say something about this.
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tornapart
It was all about creation. Quite a bit based on the brochures on the subject.
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YouTube interview with Sam aka KateWild
by RayPublisher init was a pleasure to interview our own katewild about her experiences and her recent audio recording with the elders.
the link is below:.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_uwfkdfmdq.
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tornapart
Such a brave lady! Thanks Eric and Sam!
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An excellent book for those leaving a mind controlling religion.
by tornapart ini'm in the middle of reading this book and it's very good.
written by a psychologist who had been brought up in a fundamentalist religion she talks all about the difficulties of leaving a mind controlling religion and how to overcome them.
although it talks mainly about evangelical and pentecostal type religions she includes many others too.
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tornapart
There's also some good videos on youtube. Tag 'Religious Trauma syndrome'.
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An excellent book for those leaving a mind controlling religion.
by tornapart ini'm in the middle of reading this book and it's very good.
written by a psychologist who had been brought up in a fundamentalist religion she talks all about the difficulties of leaving a mind controlling religion and how to overcome them.
although it talks mainly about evangelical and pentecostal type religions she includes many others too.
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tornapart
I'm in the middle of reading this book and it's very good. Written by a psychologist who had been brought up in a fundamentalist religion she talks all about the difficulties of leaving a mind controlling religion and how to overcome them. Although it talks mainly about evangelical and pentecostal type religions she includes many others too. (She gives JWs a mention along with other cult types). Well worth a read.