Posts by tornapart

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Simon has stated the AAWA facts with exact precision

by james_woods in

i think the problem is, as before, how the aawa is handling things and refusing to answer your critics makes things worse.

critics are not people out to get you, they are critical of something that you have done or given the appearance of doing and pr is the job of responding to address the criticisms.. this is the internet people, you can't just pretend that things didn't happen by deleting the comments!

especially not with a group that wants to claim to offer support and be open and honest.

tornapart

One thing I really appreciate with Simon is his total concern with everyone's right to privacy and if they want it, anonimity. I came across a thread recently about JWD closing down (before JWN) and his refusal to sell it to anyone and if it did go that he would wipe everything, PMs, email addresses, IP adresses. This is the kind of thing you need to keep your trust in someone, be it a person or a group.

AAWA wasn't aware of how slack FB privacy can be and it still could be very damaging. I'm sure they'll do some good and I wish them the best with it but I'm staying right here with Simon's board. If I lose my anonimity here then it'll be my own fault and not his.

Thanks Simon for a great (and SAFE) place to come!

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In Practice, the GB Substitutes "The Organization" for Jesus

by Ding in

recently, i have had some pm discussions with a couple of jwn members regarding the extent to which the gb injects itself and the wt organization into the bible message.

one of them encouraged me to post my comments as a topic, so i am doing so here.. .

in the wt religion, everything is about "god's organization.

tornapart

Totally agree with you Ding! They have completely demoted Jesus and they just can't see it! They see it as disloyalty to God to say anything against 'his Organisation', yet they don't see the disloyalty they show towards his Christ! They are shutting off the Kingdom of heaven to millions and preventing them from accepting Jesus as their mediator, salvation and way to God!

The Organisation is now 'the way the truth and the life'... not Christ! What blasphemy!!

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Bobcat, give me your take on this

by QC in

bcat, looks like jesus is not michael.

i just shared this with new member "lost".

if this is correct it's another big eye opener for the jw r&f.

tornapart

I see the 'birth' of the kingdom as being from when Jesus was resurrected to heaven. The 'woman' arrayed with sun, moon and stars (see Joseph's dream in Gen 37:9,10) as Israel. The 1,260 days in the wilderness as the time open until the gentiles came in. (Rev 12)

This means that Satan was ousted from heaven before Jesus ascended, then began to wage war with the holy ones. I also see Michael the archangel as NOT being Christ.

Witnesses might use the fact that he descended with 'an archangel's voice'. Well the word 'an' indicates there is more than one. Michael in Daniel is spoken of as being 'one of' the foremost princes. Jesus isn't a 'one of' anything. He IS the ONLY one.

It's also interesting that there are 7 angels with 7 trumpets.. are these the archangels, 7 of them? The apocryphal book of Enoch suggests there were 7, Michael being one of them.

It also says in Matt 24:31 that the 'Son of man' sends forth his angels with a great trumpet sound. It makes sense to me that it is not the King who blows the trumpet but his angels heralding his return.

Another point.. Witnesses might say that Rev says Satan is angry because he has only a short period of time. Well, if you've been alive millions or possibly even billions of years wouldn't a couple of thousand years or so be a 'short time'?

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Committee Chairman: tell us about yourself

by crmsicl in

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tornapart

CC, I'm happy that you're here. You sound the same sort of elder my hubby is, even though I know he'd never visit here. He's of the same mind as you, he doesn't always agree with things either and is always saying that it's impossible to have all the answers and he won't always go along with things. Even if he's the only elder on the body that disagrees with something because it's not scriptural, he'll stand up for what he believes is right. However he still goes along with things as he still believes it's God's Organisation.

I respect you coming here. You could be a great help to many on here I'm sure.

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Special Assembly Day??

by DATA-DOG in

has anyone attended yet?

i am going to take careful notes.

i think i can make it through.

tornapart

Got the two day one coming up soon....

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Newbie

by Stubborn Disbeliever in

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i'm new here, so i thought i'd start with an introduction and summary of my life, for the most part.

i have a tendancy to ramble ridiculously, so bear with me :) and this will be all over the place as thoughts take over the keyboard.. i was born a 5th generation jw.

i never really "felt" it, but was book smart about it.

tornapart

Welcome stubborn.. I'm glad you've found a REAL family, ones who will love you as you deserve to be loved. Jesus told us we would gain true brothers and sisters, mothers and fathers. Blood means nothing without love and the ones that truly love us are the ones that are our family.

Enjoy your children, they are so precious and take comfort in your new 'family'.

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Problems with the "Bogus AWAA Fan Page"..

by OUTLAW in

good afternoon jwn... .

i`ve spent the morning and part of my afternoon... getting to the bottom of... why names were added to the awaa fan page... it`s a dangerous thing to happen in our world... faders can be outed,we can lose,family,friends... the results can be an absolute disaster... .

aawa "did not" create the facebook awaa fan page.

tornapart

Tylinbrando: " If you don't want to be outed, stay off Facebook"

What!??!!

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Problems with the "Bogus AWAA Fan Page"..

by OUTLAW in

good afternoon jwn... .

i`ve spent the morning and part of my afternoon... getting to the bottom of... why names were added to the awaa fan page... it`s a dangerous thing to happen in our world... faders can be outed,we can lose,family,friends... the results can be an absolute disaster... .

aawa "did not" create the facebook awaa fan page.

tornapart

I've got a group on FB, just a small group of friends who like the same singer. I started it as a closed group (group name and members can be seen) to secret group. Anyone within that group can add anyone they like. They press a button and hey presto! friends are added (without their permission) I thought it would send a request to them that they could either accept or reject but no, they were just automatically added. Fortunately for me everyone who was added was happy about it.

AAWA is different. It's an acitivist group and membership (especially if it's open or closed) could cause untold damage. Even if it's secret now, the damage could already have been done.

It didn't have to be only one person who added lots of people, anyone within the group could have done it.

Please, anyone thinking of starting a group like this, be very very careful about who you add. You could be messing with people's lives!

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Problems with the "Bogus AWAA Fan Page"..

by OUTLAW in

good afternoon jwn... .

i`ve spent the morning and part of my afternoon... getting to the bottom of... why names were added to the awaa fan page... it`s a dangerous thing to happen in our world... faders can be outed,we can lose,family,friends... the results can be an absolute disaster... .

aawa "did not" create the facebook awaa fan page.

tornapart

I just recently found out that if someone changes a personal profile page into a 'fan' page then all the friends from his previous personal page will be automatically added as liking the new fan page.

I think it's good for everyone to be aware of security loopholes in FB.... they seem to be all over the place!

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For any that may have been "Outted" on Facebook regarding joining a particular "Association"

by StoneWall in

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i can relate to what you're going through because i'm still in the "witness protection program" so to speak, due to family etc.. i would just like to make some recommendations/suggestions to help you with damage control because i hate knowing that you are having to face this in your lives at this time in addition to whatever else you're currently dealing with.. to me it is imperative that you take a proactive/preemptive stance in being able to get through this realtively unscathed if possible.. and it can be done.. first post on your wall on fb that you found out the hardway that facebooks privacy and security settings leave a lot to be desired.. let your friends/family know that you were not aware that others, without your knowledge or consent could add you to many groups out there whether you wanted to or not.. make sure not to name this particular "association or organization" in your message so as not to draw even more undue attention to you or/and it.. this way it further distances you to any perceived ties they may have that linked you with it.

by not using the name it also shows that there are others groups you may have been added to without permission not just this one.

that way it is all inclusive and it will help in your defense to draw attention away from what that one's main focus is.. then you can finish up by stating that you have taken steps to remove your name from this group as well as any others that someone may have added your name to without your knowledge.. you may also want to add that if anyone see's where your name has been added to a group that they would find hard to believe that you would join, to please send you a pm since everything doesn't show up on your personal wall and you may have no knowledge of it.. this is only my suggestions and you can use it to your advantage if so desire.

tornapart

Thanks Stonewall... really appreciate your suggestions. Although it hasn't happened to me (yet) it is something I'm really scared of happening to me.

I don't blame the AAWA but I do know how slack the FB privacy settings can be. It's something for everyone to be aware of!