Posts by Londo111

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Suicide - How many do you know within the JWs

by Lady Lee in

thw wts likes to play games with their statistics.

one interesting but truly tragic is the number of jwhovah's witnesses who commit suicie.. now i suspect that if a person commits suicide shortly before or after they are disfellowshipped then the elders would say that person wasn't a witness or that they had done something so terrible that they were too guilty to admit it and by their action of committing suicide they pretty much declared they were no longer a jw.. yup fancy talk to make sure any crap didn't fall on them.. so my question.. do you know of cases like this?

if so then can you answer a few more questions.. had this person been dfed or in real danger of being dfed or whatever the equivalent is if they were never baptized?.

Londo111

I can relate being low due to being disfellowshipped. It is worse than divorce or any heartbreak…and there is never any respite. Family can become callous, hardhearted, and belligerent.

I have found the body is hardwired for self preservation, especially in regard to heights, and it's very hard to circumvent. Hanging and other methods seem quite painful. And the worst case scenario is surviving an attempt, and having a lifelong disability. Fear of pain, heights, suffocation, failing has so far kept me alive.

Sometimes I feel I have a purpose. If I die, then I might fail to complete what I am here to do. Some days the only thing I can do is read and study more intensely. After feeling dangerously low last Thursday evening, Friday I poured myself into printing off and organizing my notes and research materials on 607. Saturday, I bought a new translation of the Bible from Books-A-Million and for a time that lifted my spirits.

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Suicide - How many do you know within the JWs

by Lady Lee in

thw wts likes to play games with their statistics.

one interesting but truly tragic is the number of jwhovah's witnesses who commit suicie.. now i suspect that if a person commits suicide shortly before or after they are disfellowshipped then the elders would say that person wasn't a witness or that they had done something so terrible that they were too guilty to admit it and by their action of committing suicide they pretty much declared they were no longer a jw.. yup fancy talk to make sure any crap didn't fall on them.. so my question.. do you know of cases like this?

if so then can you answer a few more questions.. had this person been dfed or in real danger of being dfed or whatever the equivalent is if they were never baptized?.

Londo111

In my area:

I heard about one brother who took his life after his son was disfellowshipped.

With another, I remember I was having soup with two older women, and they mentioned one brother whose suicide was reported in the newspaper. The one sister said, "He must have had sugar in his tea." The other said, "That is the most SELFISH action anyone can take!"

More often than not, I don't think it was often an approved topic for conversation. There is a certain code of silence. These poor people are forgotten. Nobody wants to think about them.

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Subjugation of Women

by Band on the Run in

this area bothered me even more than the ban on college.

i was born a feminist, popped out that way.

before the women's movement, i hated their attitude of hating women.

Londo111

"Man has dominated man to his injury"--there are few places this is truer than the organization. Anytime there is a hierarchal system, people of all genders will be oppressed. The problem becomes not just that only males are expected to carry a heavier workload in the congregation (because more theocratic treadmill activity is what it amounts to), it is because there is a hierarchy to begin with. Once the arrow is removed, then you can deal with the poison.

Maybe it's because I am somewhat shorter than the average height, but I have noticed that Height often makes a difference. There are many elders who seem rather tall and there is a deference given to them. And in regard finding a mate, women usually tend to like tall men. Males of equal or lesser height are invisible, if not despised.

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Subjugation of Women

by Band on the Run in

this area bothered me even more than the ban on college.

i was born a feminist, popped out that way.

before the women's movement, i hated their attitude of hating women.

Londo111

I never felt exalted. I was a ministerial servant twice, and it was allot of extra work and little glory. Truth be told, I secretly wished that sisters were allowed to do more, so that it would ease the workload. After a few meetings of running a microphone up and down the aisle, it loses its thrills real quick.

I never knew of any wifebeaters…that was always viewed with distaste by the brothers I knew. I only heard of an experience where a man verbally provoked his wife into hitting him so that he could claim 'physical endangerment' and have 'grounds' for separation. Of course, the sister he was cheating with was equally as devious.

I never experienced many sisters competing for one brother. Usually I saw many good brothers have extreme difficulties finding a mate. My observation is that some JW women were shallow and picky…perhaps they all were competing for one brother, but overlooking many others.

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Is it possible to be friends with a devout Jehovah's Witness?

by losthobbit in

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friends

just wondering if it's possible for a non-religious person like me to be friends with a devout jehovah's witness.

as i understand they don't like to mix with us lower life forms.

any thoughts?.

Londo111

That is not to say it is easy for a Witness to distance themselves from a non-Witness, and they might not want to be friends if circumstances were different. I know many a time I let friendships fizzle, thinking, "Too bad. I really like them. I wish they weren't going to die for good at Armageddon." It really hurt sometimes. It is really refreshing knowing TTATT.

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What are the best Bible Translations?

by Londo111 in

growing up in a jw family, my parents and my grandparents had many versions of the bible...not just the new world translation.

sometimes i read these.

but i always bought the hype that the new world translation was the most unbiased and most consistent in rendering hebrew and greek into the modern language.

Londo111

Thanks everyone for all the suggestions. For a time, I was seriously considering the ESV, but in the end, after seven weeks of deliberation, I decided on the New Jerusalem Bible.

Maybe it's because of my upbringing, but I do like seeing the Divine Name in the Old Testament, and it seems to me in my limited experience a very scholarly work. I look forward to reading the Apocrypha.

Of course, I will still reference different translations online from time to time. I do make extensive use of Biblegateway. I even reference NWT…of course, more and more, I keep learning of places were verses seem to be rendered in a biased manner.

My ex also bought the NJB (we both went Bible shopping tonight). Then we read a chapter out of the New Testament, the Old, and 1 Macabees. Yeah, I know how to party like its 999...BC. :)

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Does bethel monitor this site?

by 2tone in

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friends

i dont want to stir up conspiracy theories.

is there any strong evidence out there that would suggest that bethel monitors this site?.

Londo111

Now that we have Bethel's attention:

Thank you brothers so much for the articles in the October and November 2011 Public edition of the Watchtower on Jerusalem's destruction. As the article encouraged in the last paragraph, "Why not investigate the evidence for yourself?"

And after reading these articles and rereading them…that is exactly what I did. I examined the notes, saw the sources referenced in context, and was quite amazed at the misrepresentation of scholars. After months of investigating the matter, I see the both the Biblical and Historical evidence, most of which was not addressed in the articles, show that Jerusalem could NOT have been destroyed in 607 BC. It is a slam dunk case for 587 BC.

Without these articles, I probably would've still been in a cloudy limbo of wondering why Christianity was not being practiced as outlined by Jesus, why there was so much sighing and groaning amongst my brothers and sisters, and why the all powerful Kingdom would have such an inept earthly administration.

It led me to reading Steven Hassan's books about BITE Mind Control, and though I was very resistant to the idea, and denied it for months upon months, I realize that the Society is a cult. It was a very difficult realization to arrive at. However, the very fact that you are reading this proved the point. As Hassan said, "Spying on other members…reporting deviant thoughts, feelings, and actions to leadership" is part of Information Control.

Go, and this is what I want you to report to the leadership: LET MY PEOPLE GO!

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Does bethel monitor this site?

by 2tone in

jw
friends

i dont want to stir up conspiracy theories.

is there any strong evidence out there that would suggest that bethel monitors this site?.

Londo111

Why do they need to be invited into their own home? I'm sure they love the secret lair with all the pyramids and stuff.

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Does bethel monitor this site?

by 2tone in

jw
friends

i dont want to stir up conspiracy theories.

is there any strong evidence out there that would suggest that bethel monitors this site?.

Londo111

While they are here, the Elders & Bethelites should introduce themselves. After all, they have invited us into their living rooms and offices…so why not have a friendly chat?

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Hello . I am new here.....I HAVE NEW LIGHT.

by TheTruthWillMakeYouFree in

i am new here.....i have new light.

i feel woow....wonderful now..... the only one respectfull thing in the bible from me no is that "the truth will make you free.

-john 8:32. i am so happy, because i am very young and just before some months start pioneering..bla-bla-bla.... now i can planing my life..so happy that i know the truth about "the truth".

Londo111

Oh--and welcome!