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  In what decade was it clearly apparent that Watchtower was a high control religion?

  by UnshackleTheChains in

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  i'm just curious to get people's views on this.. the bible students seem to start of as quite a liberal group under charles taze russell, albeit he had some whacky teachings going on.

  obviously things began to change under rutherford.

  but what decade did it become abundantly clear that the society was indeed high control religion or even labeled a cult?.

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  1952
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  Can all 7 members of the Governing Body ride in this elevator at the same time?

  by Alfred in

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  2. physical

  in case the picture didn't load.... i'm referring to an elevator with a (quite common) weight capacity of 1,500 lbs.. would the 7 members of the governing body exceed this weight limit??

  david splane: 195 pounds.

  stephen lett: 205 pounds.

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  They've enough hot air. The elevator might rise like a balloon.
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  11-5-17 Warwick Protest Photos

  by thebrokenkite in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  let the reader use discernment:.

  i was disfellowshipped in june of last year.

  while i've been awake for nearly a year, i still often feel groggy.

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  Thebrokenkite: Thanks for the honest review of the event.

  I agree with the assessment of Morpheus.

  One of the big turn offs were some of the central figures of this protest.

  Before I woke up, I remember happening upon scary looking websites or videos of foaming at the mouth, ranting people. It kept me in.

  Today, there is a whole new generation of those. Instead of being fact based and sticking to what can be confirmed, they indulge in wild speculation and unsubstantiated claims.

  Along with this, they loudly air personal grievances of other exJWs, ranting into the camera sometimes for more than an hour or more. Sometimes they loudly read private messages. And of course, these make extreme unsubstantiated claims of criminal behavior. Despite some of these claiming to be Christian, there is nothing in the way of forgiveness or the “fruitage of the spirit”. No amount of apologies will do for these folks.

  They seem to be all for tyrannical governments throwing rank and file JWs, who are already victims of Watchtower, in jail. They ignore that had they been citizens of these governments, and still JWs, they would be the ones going to jail.
  

  I’m so glad I woke up before this new generation. It was the calm reasoning of Ray Franz helped me tremendously when I was ready. He was against being disruptive or disrespectful. Nor did he broadcast personal grievances.
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  Lunar Eclipses and 607/587 BCE as the date of Jerusalem´s Fall

  by ILoveTTATT2 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i am doing a very extensive document, it is a work in progress, that details how to know, just using a list of eclipses in the 6th and 7th century bce, excel, and knowing how to read lunar eclipse graphs and maps, that jerusalem fell in 587 b.c.e., and not 607 b.c.e.

  as the watchtower states.currently it is in spanish, but i intend to translate it to english later.for those who speak spanish, here it is:.

  https://sites.google.com/site/laverdadtj2/los-eclipses-lunares-y-la-watchtower.

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  Londo111

  Hmm...maybe this link will work better.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pe45Up37djA&t=24s
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  Lunar Eclipses and 607/587 BCE as the date of Jerusalem´s Fall

  by ILoveTTATT2 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i am doing a very extensive document, it is a work in progress, that details how to know, just using a list of eclipses in the 6th and 7th century bce, excel, and knowing how to read lunar eclipse graphs and maps, that jerusalem fell in 587 b.c.e., and not 607 b.c.e.

  as the watchtower states.currently it is in spanish, but i intend to translate it to english later.for those who speak spanish, here it is:.

  https://sites.google.com/site/laverdadtj2/los-eclipses-lunares-y-la-watchtower.

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  Londo111

  BTW...someone redid all the main videos in Spanish:

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pe45Up37djA&feature=youtu.be

  Unfortunately, I don't think they covered the appendixes where VAT 4956 was covered in detail.
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  Lunar Eclipses and 607/587 BCE as the date of Jerusalem´s Fall

  by ILoveTTATT2 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i am doing a very extensive document, it is a work in progress, that details how to know, just using a list of eclipses in the 6th and 7th century bce, excel, and knowing how to read lunar eclipse graphs and maps, that jerusalem fell in 587 b.c.e., and not 607 b.c.e.

  as the watchtower states.currently it is in spanish, but i intend to translate it to english later.for those who speak spanish, here it is:.

  https://sites.google.com/site/laverdadtj2/los-eclipses-lunares-y-la-watchtower.

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  Thank you. The 2011 Watchtower articles were what had me googling to fact check their claims and that led me here. I learned allot from AnnOMaly (who helped me correct a few mistakes I made in the videos), Alleymom, Doug Mason, and others.

  It took a long time to digest and confirm. Only then was I comfortable enough to read an "apostate" book like Gentile Times Reconsidered.

  Going by memory (and it's been a few years since I've retained this), the eclipse that supposedly matches only works if they start the Babylonian year in May. But that's impossible because if you count back from the summer solstice recorded on VAT 4956, the year simply did not start then.
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  What can the leadership at Watchtower do to turn things around?

  by UnshackleTheChains in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  let's play devils advocate here.. put yourself in the governing body's shoes.

  they are well aware of all the issues they are facing.

  they know their numbers (they 'do the math' as they say in the us).

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  Nothing. All churches are in decline, therefore, decline for Watchtower is inevitable.
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  Lunar Eclipses and 607/587 BCE as the date of Jerusalem´s Fall

  by ILoveTTATT2 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i am doing a very extensive document, it is a work in progress, that details how to know, just using a list of eclipses in the 6th and 7th century bce, excel, and knowing how to read lunar eclipse graphs and maps, that jerusalem fell in 587 b.c.e., and not 607 b.c.e.

  as the watchtower states.currently it is in spanish, but i intend to translate it to english later.for those who speak spanish, here it is:.

  https://sites.google.com/site/laverdadtj2/los-eclipses-lunares-y-la-watchtower.

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  Londo111

  Hopefully this could help on the planetary observations...

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Ltze4khcA8&index=27&list=PLyNx0oM_bmgDJHQFzgm4L0rRuPpwTOVmz&t=2s

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOx7iUS_dEw&index=28&list=PLyNx0oM_bmgDJHQFzgm4L0rRuPpwTOVmz&t=184s

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXnM2rh0i8s&index=29&list=PLyNx0oM_bmgDJHQFzgm4L0rRuPpwTOVmz&t=1s

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmOUDC8g_tA&index=30&list=PLyNx0oM_bmgDJHQFzgm4L0rRuPpwTOVmz
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  Lunar Eclipses and 607/587 BCE as the date of Jerusalem´s Fall

  by ILoveTTATT2 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i am doing a very extensive document, it is a work in progress, that details how to know, just using a list of eclipses in the 6th and 7th century bce, excel, and knowing how to read lunar eclipse graphs and maps, that jerusalem fell in 587 b.c.e., and not 607 b.c.e.

  as the watchtower states.currently it is in spanish, but i intend to translate it to english later.for those who speak spanish, here it is:.

  https://sites.google.com/site/laverdadtj2/los-eclipses-lunares-y-la-watchtower.

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  Londo111

  Good work. I wish I could read it. But this sort of thing is what is needed: show, don't tell. Or maybe rather show AND tell.

  The Gentile Times Reconsidered is an awesome book and a must read for any JW waking up. However, what I wished at the time when reading it was more astronomical data laid out. For instance, instead of just telling me about astronomical tablets (such as VAT 4956), I wanted to actually see it. Carl Olaf Jonson was more detailed on these matters when he critiqued Watchtower's 2011 articles.
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  Must We Always See Heroes OR Villains?

  by TerryWalstrom in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  villains can be heroic.

  recite statistics of only the worst or exclusively the best of any person and a distorted conclusion is easy to reach.. __________.

  "by the end of his term, president ronald reagan's 138 administration officials had been convicted, had been indicted, or had been the subject of official investigations for official misconduct and/or criminal violations.".

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  Londo111

  People are often the products of their environment. But often views evolve over one's lifetime.

  If ten years ago, someone were to ask me whether gay people should marry, what would I have said? What came out of my mouth would've been the product of JW indoctrination. It would be very different than what I would have said now.

  I doubt history will ever quote me about anything, but if it does, I hope I'm on the right side of it.