so, you left because of a bad example(s).. why all the whining?
nothing better to do with your time?.
you at least know far more about the bible than any church-goer?.
World conditions since 1914 have only gotten better as a whole...which is a whole another video series: www.jwlove.org/1914ad
But in regard 607 BC, I'll take the first point about the Bible interpretation. There is nowhere in the Bible that proves the Jews returned from exile in 537 BC. If one reads Ezra chapters 1 to 3, it seems to point to 538 BC.
so, you left because of a bad example(s).. why all the whining?
nothing better to do with your time?.
you at least know far more about the bible than any church-goer?.
BTW...if you want to talk about 607 BC, start another topic on the matter. Argue the case.
so, you left because of a bad example(s).. why all the whining?
nothing better to do with your time?.
you at least know far more about the bible than any church-goer?.
There's lots of this information in written form out there about 607 BC. All it takes is a little googling.
https://ad1914.com/history-of-the-doctrine/
https://jeffro77.wordpress.com/index/607-for-dummies/
http://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/607-587.php
And this is a synopsis of each of the videos I linked to above: www.jwlove.org/607bc
We've had plenty of debates with JW apologists on this forum about this very subject.
so, you left because of a bad example(s).. why all the whining?
nothing better to do with your time?.
you at least know far more about the bible than any church-goer?.
As a JW, I would've said the same thing. Historians are not doing guesswork. And the Bible itself points to 587 BC.
That is why I did this video series on the subject exploring this from every angle.
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLyNx0oM_bmgDJHQFzgm4L0rRuPpwTOVmz
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-K8pyVfKcU&index=1&list=PLyNx0oM_bmgDJHQFzgm4L0rRuPpwTOVmz
so, you left because of a bad example(s).. why all the whining?
nothing better to do with your time?.
you at least know far more about the bible than any church-goer?.
I didn't leave because of "bad examples".
I left because I researched 607 BC and found not only was it wrong, the Watchtower articles defending 607 BC was deceptive.
Editing to add: Then I researched other topics (1914, the Faithful Slave, House to House preaching, the Great Crowd, ect) and found them equally erroneous.
i had seen it before but never actually looked.. sure enough in july 15 2013 wt .... 17 in the past, we have stated in our publications that these last four references apply to jesus’ arriving, or coming, in 1918. as an example, take jesus’ statement about “the faithful and discreet slave.” (read matthew 24:45-47.
) we understood that the “arriving” mentioned in verse 46 was linked to the time when jesus came to inspect the spiritual condition of the anointed in 1918 and that the appointment of the slave over all the master’s belongings occurred in 1919.
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I remember my grandfather told a story where he was invited in, realized the person was part of the "evil slave" and he basically freaked out.
i copied the following two items from jw dot orgs site entitled “dates of prophetic significance” at site below:.
http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1200271564.
once held to be year when ‘true lord and messenger of the covenant’ came to spiritual temple (mal 3:1): w10 3/15 23; w07 4/1 22; w07 12/15 27-28; jd 179-182; re 31-32, 55-56; w92 12/1 13; w89 4/15 7; w89 7/1 30; w87 6/15 14-15. .
What sir82 said.
1919 is still the most important Watchtower date, supposedly when Jesus appointed a small group of "anointed" at HQ the "faithful slave" as the only channel God is using to serve spiritual food at the proper time.
The "Kingdom Rules" paragraph there doesn't contradict any "new light" about the "captivity" to "Babylon the Great".
i had seen it before but never actually looked.. sure enough in july 15 2013 wt .... 17 in the past, we have stated in our publications that these last four references apply to jesus’ arriving, or coming, in 1918. as an example, take jesus’ statement about “the faithful and discreet slave.” (read matthew 24:45-47.
) we understood that the “arriving” mentioned in verse 46 was linked to the time when jesus came to inspect the spiritual condition of the anointed in 1918 and that the appointment of the slave over all the master’s belongings occurred in 1919.
(mal.
The new light on the "slave" a few years ago was that Jesus did not yet appoint the slave "over all his belongings" yet, but when they get to heaven to join the 144000. However, they still maintain in 1919 that Jesus appointed the slave to serve food at the proper time.
first off, i am so happy that " tomo iii" is catching.
i dont know who said it first, but it's awesome.. i want to see him at a rc and say, " yo!!
tomo!!
This was from the US zone visit a couple years back broadcast to all US congregations. He gave his "tight pants" and "spanx" rants at this time as well.
What amazes me is some JWs do not seem to understand this is the insider, Official teaching of Watchtower: if you are not an active JW in good standing, you will eternally perish at Armageddon. This message has essentially unchanged since Rutherford's time.
Of course, the "outsider teaching" dances around this: God is the judge, not us, ect, ect...
the most ridiculous of all dogmas anywhere in the universe is the very foundation of churchianity.....thus, all their other claims are just blah, blah!.
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Trinitarian vs Arian debates have been going on for nearly 2000 years. The matter seems purely academic and at the end of the day not all that big of deal who is "right" and who is "wrong".
I am curious about what you said that the reason you lost respect for the Governing Body is because they "goofified meethings & assemblies". What do object to about their format?
Have you looked into other matters: 607, 1914, ect?
