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  Warning: Watchtower computer dept. registers accounts on Ex-JW sites, coerces people to divulge their personal details

  by WTS Archive in

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  2. friends

  we had a bad experience with watchtower trying to infiltrate our forums.

  let this story be a warning for all you guys here.

  if you value your privacy do not ever send your real contact details to anyone, even if you trust them (because their accounts could be hacked or accessed by their relatives - and yes, this happened to people i know several times already).

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  Londo111

  The Watchtower MO is to deny involvement and let the individual fall on their sword...
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  Three graphs in connection with the Watch Tower's current financial situation

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  a number of public statements by the governing body indicate that they are experiencing financial difficulty and they have appealed to jws to donate more money.

  public information on the financial situation of the watchtower society is limited.

  but what does the information they do publish indicate about their situation?

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  Londo111

  I do wonder how many vendors there are that surround the organization, those whose vested interest is that the organization continue and do business with them.
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  Three graphs in connection with the Watch Tower's current financial situation

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  a number of public statements by the governing body indicate that they are experiencing financial difficulty and they have appealed to jws to donate more money.

  public information on the financial situation of the watchtower society is limited.

  but what does the information they do publish indicate about their situation?

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  Londo111

  I agree about the bunker mindset.

  It is an organization centered around the belief of the immanent end of the world and continual increase until then.

  It wasn't supposed to go past 1914, 1925, 1975, the generation that saw 1914, the end of the 20th century...Even after that, I believe the GB thought Armageddon was the ultimate solution to any 'short term' problems: legacy costs, child abuse lawsuits, any mounting debts.

  Growth began to stagnate in the mid-90's...I believe there will never again be a heydey of recruitment as it existed from the 60's to the 90's. Now it's a matter of member retention and yet the members are part of the segment of society that is least educated, and therefore, contributions are not on the increase.

  I do wonder if people vote with their wallet before they vote with their feet. There is a captive audience (awake JWs), and there are those who believe in it somewhat but are worn down or aphetic as well.
  
  
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  JW broadcasting and doubts

  by Colinconfused in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  hi everyone to cut a long story short, ive been away from the meetings for over 10 years.

  i recently reconnected with the congregation and started a study.

  cant get my head around all the changes and jw broadcasting.

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  Londo111

  Colinconfused:

  What you are seeing if a symptom of a much larger problem.

  This red flag will hopefully give you opportunity to examine the history of the organization as well as the validity of central beliefs (607, 1914, 1919, Faithful Slave, Generation, ect), as well as the org's current scandals and coverups.

  
  
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  Three graphs in connection with the Watch Tower's current financial situation

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  a number of public statements by the governing body indicate that they are experiencing financial difficulty and they have appealed to jws to donate more money.

  public information on the financial situation of the watchtower society is limited.

  but what does the information they do publish indicate about their situation?

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  Londo111

  Interesting stuff!

  If only Watchtower were an open and transparent organization that did not practice "theocratic warfare" especially when it comes to numbers.

  Then again, if it was, it wouldn't be the type of organization that we'd have to worry about.
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  Interracial Relationships and JWs

  by HiddlesWife in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i've noticed that within the past couple of decades, i don't see a lot of interracial relationships (ir, for short) in the org.. i, myself, was involved in an ir over 2-3 decades ago and was engaged to get married [my ethnicity is: african-american and latina; my ex-fiance's ethnicity is: scottish and italian].

  he broke off the engagement, after three years of friendship and two years of dating, because his uncle and another brother (who was a temporary volunteer at bethel) pressured him to end our relationship [p.s.

  : his mother was quite close to my mother, one of my sisters and one of my close cousins.

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  Londo111

  This was the stance at one time in the organization and my parent's sentiments were like (discouraging me to date anyone black, while swearing up and down were not racist). But from the 90's onward it seemed interracial marriage was more common than any other in my area, including mine in 2001.

  It seems Anthony Morris's family have an interracial marriage and in the publications nowadays seems positively portrayed from the illustrations of married couples.
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  Openly converting to another religion but not disfellowshipped

  by R Franz Ferdinand III in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  odd.... friends of mine recently became members of an evangelical church.. up until they got baptised in this church, they still were visiting the jw meetings on a regular basis.they weren't really fading in the true sense of the word.. they came out of the closet about their new conviction quite publicly and even didn't shy away from getting in debate with the elders on biblical topics.. the elders are obviously very aware about their position and as they still were attending the meetings not so long ago, they clearly can be considered as people associated with the jw organisation.. as far as i know it seems they won't get disfellowshipped.

  as long my friends don't harrass fellow witnesses with their 'renegade ideas' and 'false religion', elders seem to comply and leave things as they are.. this puzzles me as defecting to babylon the great always has been one the most worst offenses a jw could possibly commit.. could this be a case of local elders interpreting/applying things their own way or is there a (new) general policy trending ?.

  anyone who knows about similar cases ?.

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  As said, it is viewed as disassociation (which is the consequences as being disfellowshipping, namely shunning) if the elders decide to go after them.

  The question is why they haven't gone after them. I think John Free pinpointed a possible reason...they've are overworked. I believe quite a few elders don't actually want to play judge, jury and executioner, and sometimes will procrastinate doing so or defer their responsibility to someone else.

  Of course, when the CO comes to town, he might prod the elders into action...
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  Keep the meeting going! (even if somebody's dying)

  by TimeBandit in

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  this is a true story.

  it's about a sister named henriette venema.

  she was a very loyal jw.

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  Londo111

  I've heard of this happening. Since Watchtower teaches that attending all meetings and assemblies is essentially a prerequisite for everlasting life (as is monthly "field service"), the meeting becomes more important than life itself when the reality is they are a waste of living.

  Not as dramatic, I've seen an older CO feel faint in the middle of a Thursday night talk and have the PO take over for him from the outline. I've seen another older CO feel faint, almost fall, but he decided to give the rest of his talk sitting.
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  Availability Crisis of Conscience.

  by Ben131895 in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  most of us are desperately waiting for the availability of a legal crisis of conscience.

  deborah dykstra provided us with two updates.

  on december 12, 2015 there was a clear statement about the copyright which stopped all illegal activity in spreading electronic versions & prints.. finally, she promised a new update by or before may 6.. so far no new update.

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  Londo111

  These books need to be totally open sourced.
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  I need a little help

  by Darryl in

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  2. experiences

  my story is i've been df'd for about 20 years.

  a couple years after i started attending church and found it to be a tremendously uplifting experience.

  from the people to the music, message everything drew me in.

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  Londo111

  It's been my experience (based on observing and attending various churches in mainline Protestantism) that in most places, there is a diversity of views and generally people are free to hold to their individual view, even if it different than the official church or denominational creed. I've seen differing views voiced and nobody sweats it. In general, people aren't too hung up on doctrine.

  The motto seems to be: In essentials unity, In non-essentials liberty, in all things love.