Posts by Londo111

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Keep the meeting going! (even if somebody's dying)

by TimeBandit in

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this is a true story.

it's about a sister named henriette venema.

she was a very loyal jw.

Londo111

I've heard of this happening. Since Watchtower teaches that attending all meetings and assemblies is essentially a prerequisite for everlasting life (as is monthly "field service"), the meeting becomes more important than life itself when the reality is they are a waste of living.

Not as dramatic, I've seen an older CO feel faint in the middle of a Thursday night talk and have the PO take over for him from the outline. I've seen another older CO feel faint, almost fall, but he decided to give the rest of his talk sitting.

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Availability Crisis of Conscience.

by Ben131895 in

most of us are desperately waiting for the availability of a legal crisis of conscience.

deborah dykstra provided us with two updates.

on december 12, 2015 there was a clear statement about the copyright which stopped all illegal activity in spreading electronic versions & prints.. finally, she promised a new update by or before may 6.. so far no new update.

Londo111

These books need to be totally open sourced.

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I need a little help

by Darryl in

my story is i've been df'd for about 20 years.

a couple years after i started attending church and found it to be a tremendously uplifting experience.

from the people to the music, message everything drew me in.

Londo111

It's been my experience (based on observing and attending various churches in mainline Protestantism) that in most places, there is a diversity of views and generally people are free to hold to their individual view, even if it different than the official church or denominational creed. I've seen differing views voiced and nobody sweats it. In general, people aren't too hung up on doctrine.

The motto seems to be: In essentials unity, In non-essentials liberty, in all things love.

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New Monthly Broadcast - BE LOYAL! - Shut Up and Sit Down!

by ttdtt in

the new broadcast is - predictably - about being loyal to the gb.it's a shut up and sit down message.. one of the funny things they keep bringing up is the correlation between the gb and moses.those who don't listen to the gb are like korah.. this is a false choice, why?let's look at a quick comparison.

(this is from the point of view of the bible).

was moses directly picked by god?- yeswas the gb directly picked by god?- well no, we actually are not told how the gb are picked and why the qualify.. did god talk to moses?- yesdoes god talk to the gb- no, they admit they are not in direct communication.. did god inspire moses to write laws and judge.- yesdoes god inspire the gb to write laws and judge.- no, they admit they are not inspired, and they are always wrong and need to change things all the time.. did god give the israelites undisputable proof that moses is his channel?- yes, many miracles visible to everyone one around happenddoes god give jws undisputable proof that the gb are his channel?- no, there is no proof, actually contrary.. was moses ever wrong?- nohas the gb ever been wrong?- every time.

Londo111

I remember articles years ago discouraging people from doing a individual "fleece" test toward questions like, "Should I pioneer?" For instance, individuals taking the selling of their home by a certain time and certain price as evidence of God's will that they should pioneer.

And yet, the Governing Body is evidently doing the very same thing.

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How to argue with a JW who says the org never said the end in 75

by dogon in

i have argued with several jws who are now being trained to deny the org ever said the end in 75, what is your approach?.

Londo111

If only JWs were not indoctrinated to basically run from discussions they cannot win. Otherwise it would be a simply matter of pulling up all the publications leading up to that time.

But the pattern is seen time and time again: the party line will be given (and very defensively at that), "The organization never said that, only a few individuals ran ahead..." After that the conversation will close down.

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New Monthly Broadcast - BE LOYAL! - Shut Up and Sit Down!

by ttdtt in

the new broadcast is - predictably - about being loyal to the gb.it's a shut up and sit down message.. one of the funny things they keep bringing up is the correlation between the gb and moses.those who don't listen to the gb are like korah.. this is a false choice, why?let's look at a quick comparison.

(this is from the point of view of the bible).

was moses directly picked by god?- yeswas the gb directly picked by god?- well no, we actually are not told how the gb are picked and why the qualify.. did god talk to moses?- yesdoes god talk to the gb- no, they admit they are not in direct communication.. did god inspire moses to write laws and judge.- yesdoes god inspire the gb to write laws and judge.- no, they admit they are not inspired, and they are always wrong and need to change things all the time.. did god give the israelites undisputable proof that moses is his channel?- yes, many miracles visible to everyone one around happenddoes god give jws undisputable proof that the gb are his channel?- no, there is no proof, actually contrary.. was moses ever wrong?- nohas the gb ever been wrong?- every time.

Londo111

If Jesus became King in 1914...

If the organization is a manifestation of his rulership of what he has been doing since 1914...

If how he rules the organization is a small scale prelude to how he would rule the worldwide paradise in the 1000 years...

If he appointed the GB as the Faithful Slave in 1919...

Why doesn't he do a better job in ruling and giving direction? Why do the GB virtually need to look for signs and omens and read tea leaves for direction?

This would not bode well for the Millennial reign.

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Recent mistakes of the Governing Body contributing to the decline of JWs

by slimboyfat in

they have made so many strategical mistakes it's hard to keep track.

some changes within the last decade or so that are contributing to declining numbers of jws:.

1. elimination of book study groups, the most informal, enjoyable and sociable of the jw meetings, contributed to loss of sense of community among jws.. 2. policy of consolidating kingdom halls.

Londo111

In this internet age, a slow decline is inevitable no matter what they do.

Many decisions are reactionary, some decisions might mitigate monetary loss and keep longtime members in the pen.

Other decisions are in desperation as things slip away. I fear how desperate things might get when the decline becomes really apparent and they grasp at the reigns harder.

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New Monthly Broadcast - BE LOYAL! - Shut Up and Sit Down!

by ttdtt in

the new broadcast is - predictably - about being loyal to the gb.it's a shut up and sit down message.. one of the funny things they keep bringing up is the correlation between the gb and moses.those who don't listen to the gb are like korah.. this is a false choice, why?let's look at a quick comparison.

(this is from the point of view of the bible).

was moses directly picked by god?- yeswas the gb directly picked by god?- well no, we actually are not told how the gb are picked and why the qualify.. did god talk to moses?- yesdoes god talk to the gb- no, they admit they are not in direct communication.. did god inspire moses to write laws and judge.- yesdoes god inspire the gb to write laws and judge.- no, they admit they are not inspired, and they are always wrong and need to change things all the time.. did god give the israelites undisputable proof that moses is his channel?- yes, many miracles visible to everyone one around happenddoes god give jws undisputable proof that the gb are his channel?- no, there is no proof, actually contrary.. was moses ever wrong?- nohas the gb ever been wrong?- every time.

Londo111

Excellent logic in the OP.

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Morning Woship: Kenneth Flodin targets "apostates"

by Sanchy in

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friends

video is entitled "beware of deceit" he uses the letter of jude to show that current day apostates are deceitful and that they use "trickery" to and "twist facts" to try to "grab our mind".

warning: your head might explode.

especially past the 5:30 mark.

Londo111

The 1910 article reminds me of doublespeak and doublethink.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doublespeak

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That Most Uneven of Judicial Procedures~The Gradual Lifting of Restriction After Reinstatement

by TMS in

those with substantial experience as jws will likely agree that judicial matters are handled with considerable inconsistency.

elders certainly vary in skill level, understanding, compassion or even knowledge of the talmudlike watchtower rules.

the punishment and, it is actually punishment, for similar offenses can result in anything from private or public reproof to disfellowshipping or sometimes an elder will choose to simply offer private counsel without even bringing the matter before the body of elders.

Londo111

Come to think about it, even "worldly" people have the "privilege" of commenting at meetings.