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  The Jonestown Massacre, Remembered

  by Londo111 in

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  http://time.com/3583781/jonestown-massacre/.

  it was 36 years ago today.. the watchtower has caused far more deaths due to the blood transfusion ban and the suicides from disfellowshipping.

  unfortunately, these deaths are mostly invisible to the public, since they didnat occur at once and in one location.. .

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  Powerful thought: "a blood card was a suicide note you carried around with you at all times".

  That calls to mind the Heaven's Gate cult. The leader redefined suicide, so that in the end, those not killing themselves to reach the next level and get swooped up by the UFO following the comet were the ones who were deemed as committing suicide. Only by killing themselves could they avoid suicide...as they defined it.

  For anyone out there who still might be troubled by the theological aspects of accepting blood transfusions:

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWNlyyM32ts&list=PLyNx0oM_bmgBuDVZWWiInBRGoovkUj95B&index=0
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  The Jonestown Massacre, Remembered

  by Londo111 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  http://time.com/3583781/jonestown-massacre/.

  it was 36 years ago today.. the watchtower has caused far more deaths due to the blood transfusion ban and the suicides from disfellowshipping.

  unfortunately, these deaths are mostly invisible to the public, since they didnat occur at once and in one location.. .

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  Londo111

  http://time.com/3583781/jonestown-massacre/

  It was 36 years ago today.

  The Watchtower has caused far more deaths due to the blood transfusion ban and the suicides from disfellowshipping. Unfortunately, these deaths are mostly invisible to the public, since they didn’t occur at once and in one location.
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  Ongoing frustration with wife

  by Flipping El in

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  2. experiences

  i've tried taking the slow, patient approach with my wife.

  i believe i first posted here about 13 months ago about my wife.. we've always had good communication and could talk endlessly about philosophy, neuroscience, sociology and then when i learned the ttatt, i clammed up a bit about spiritual things.

  i'd always been fairly liberal, suggesting other alternative ideas, but then i told my wife about the un/ngo scandal (i ran across the guardian story doing a talk as an ms, lol!

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  Londo111

  I love Steve Hassan’s books. He thoroughly describes cult dynamics and undue influence for the everyday person. Whatismore, his background helps...he knows what it was like.

  However, sometimes I wonder if his solutions are more geared toward individuals who are in the process of being indoctrinated, or are recently indoctrinated, or are on the verge of awakening or are awake and need exit counseling. The scenario his techniques seem to work best for is one where most of the person’s family and friends are on the outside. The individual in the cult then has a support system to fall back upon when they leave. That support system in fact can be mobilized to extract that person.

  I do wonder about the effectiveness of the same technique for born-ins. I’m sure they are effective to a degree, but when a person is a second or third generation indoctrinated cult member, it is exponentially more difficult to extract them. I’m not sure there is a silver bullet solution.
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  Ongoing frustration with wife

  by Flipping El in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i've tried taking the slow, patient approach with my wife.

  i believe i first posted here about 13 months ago about my wife.. we've always had good communication and could talk endlessly about philosophy, neuroscience, sociology and then when i learned the ttatt, i clammed up a bit about spiritual things.

  i'd always been fairly liberal, suggesting other alternative ideas, but then i told my wife about the un/ngo scandal (i ran across the guardian story doing a talk as an ms, lol!

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  Londo111

  "I don't see the issue there"/"so? Jehovah is backing Jehovah's Witnesses"--both are thought stopping techniques. She can file anything she hears in a nice labelled package and put it in the mental attic.

  Don't make the same mistakes I and countless others have made. It's very difficult when you just learn TTATT not to spill everything you know. But this is a delicate operation, like diffusing a bomb. Pull one wrong wire and boom! You can never unpull that wire. She is on aposta-alert--sometimes the best thing to do is to leave it be until the situation defuses.
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  New requirement to become an Elder or Ministerial Servant!

  by hardtobeme in

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  it has been a few months since i hear this from an elder.

  he said that the c/o told them this new requirement.. "men that wanna be an elder or ministerial servant has to go out to field service on sundays.

  if there is an elder or ministerial servant that is not going out to field service on sunday can lose the priviledge".

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  COs are made to appear autonomous in an attempt to let the Watchtower off the hook in court, but they are still company men who will follow the company rules. If they overstep, Watchtower will remove and replace them. There might be some individual variation, but COs don’t have carte blanche.
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  10 hour basic pioneer provision question

  by Letts Party in

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  i remember hearing about this rumor around the time of the annual meeting.

  did this really happen?

  i haven't heard anything about it at my meeting yet.

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  It wouldn't suprise me if this does happen at some point.
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  New requirement to become an Elder or Ministerial Servant!

  by hardtobeme in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  it has been a few months since i hear this from an elder.

  he said that the c/o told them this new requirement.. "men that wanna be an elder or ministerial servant has to go out to field service on sundays.

  if there is an elder or ministerial servant that is not going out to field service on sunday can lose the priviledge".

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  There are written rules in this organization and unwritten rules in organization…kind of an “oral law” as it were. For instance, nowhere is it written that JWs should not have beards.

  When the elders evaluate the pool of males for appointment, they might split hairs. Do they go out at least one Sunday a month? How many return visits do they report? Some elder bodies can be quite fickle. It is one of the most judgmental organizations on earth, after all.

  I’ve known of people who do everything “right”, even exceed the written rules, and the elders pass on them because they don’t make enough return visits or because their enrollment in “higher education” was an “inconvenience” to them.
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  UNCONFIRMED RUMOUR - GB Member DF

  by notsurewheretogo in

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  did you see the post on reddit?

  unconfirmed naturally and just a rumour but at at one assembly this week it was announced that the 6 members of the gb send their love.. .

  there are 7 members of the gb.. .

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  Londo111

  A tautology is a tautology...
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  Visit from anointed

  by wezz in

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  so tonight i get to be graced by the presence of one of the anointed.

  last time he visited to help me i told him that i have a problem with the 1914 date.

  now obviously every single aspect of this date is wrong, but i started off by asking how come they end it in 537 instead of 539, when the king of babylon obviously received his punishment in 539, as foretold by jeremiah.

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  www.jwlove.org/1914ad

  www.jwlove.org/607bc
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  Earth rotates the wrong way. ( no one even knew that )

  by kairos in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i've heard it mentioned a few times.. the rotating earth graphic in the background on jwtv rotates backwards.. i've mentioned it to the active and they are not concerned at all.. my response is, "it's something they are portraying that cannot be more wrong".. .

  two gb members have stood in front of it telling us to trust them.

  how can you when they think the sun rises in the west.... .

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  Londo111

  New light: the Earth rotates east to west.

  Scientist are just guessing and have an agenda to confirm their theories.

  Oh, and the sun goes around the Earth, not the other way around.