I must admit, prophecy is dicey for both the prophet and the interpreter. If it doesn't come true, a barrage of stones comes your way. So that's why I would prefer to remain anonymous. But that's what Daniel predicted for the end time, and that's my interpretation. That's the only one that I can see that can really be tested. Let's see what happens.
Posts by Vidqun
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80Is there one Bible Prophecy.....
by Phizzy inin the form of a prediction, that can be proven to truly be a prediction,i.e written before the event, and it came true ?.
it would be good not to have time wasters on this thread in the form of the common ones that are brought up to demonstrate the bible's prophetic prowess, like cyrus being named , these have been debunked already.. but does there seem to be a genuine prophecy in there somewhere ?.
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Is there one Bible Prophecy.....
by Phizzy inin the form of a prediction, that can be proven to truly be a prediction,i.e written before the event, and it came true ?.
it would be good not to have time wasters on this thread in the form of the common ones that are brought up to demonstrate the bible's prophetic prowess, like cyrus being named , these have been debunked already.. but does there seem to be a genuine prophecy in there somewhere ?.
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Vidqun
Here I am willing to put my head upon a block. If it comes to pass, I'll be happy. If not, I’m sunk as a prophetic interpreter, which is no loss. So let me put my money where my mouth is. According to Daniel (11:40-12:2), this is what is to occur. I have aligned the prophecy with current happenings during “the latter part of the days” (Dan. 2:28), also known as the end time (Dan. 11:40). So far so good.
King of the North: China-Russia (used to be USSR-China)
King of the South: Anglo-America
Land of Egypt : The world
Libyans: Arab nations
Cushites: African nations
Dan. 11:40 : The Cold War (1948-1990)
Dan. 11:41 : Invasion of the Beautiful land = the destruction of the organization of JWs
Dan. 11:42 : Their hangers-on (as Ammon, Edom, and Moab) will escape
Dan. 11:43a : The King of the North (China-Russia) will control the valuables of the “the land of Egypt”, i.e., the world, e.g., resources, industries.
Dan. 11:43b : Arab and African nations will be followers of King of the North
Dan. 11:44 : Reports from home will enrage the King of the North. All religion and religionists will be annihilated.
Dan. 11:45 : The King of the North will hold sway until he’s destroyed.
Dan. 12:1 : Michael will stand up by destroying all the governments of the nations. This will herald in the great tribulation and Armageddon (cf. Dan. 2:44, 45).
Dan. 12:2 : Under God’s kingdom the resurrection will take place.
This knowledge will be made available during the end time (Dan. 12:3)
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Is there one Bible Prophecy.....
by Phizzy inin the form of a prediction, that can be proven to truly be a prediction,i.e written before the event, and it came true ?.
it would be good not to have time wasters on this thread in the form of the common ones that are brought up to demonstrate the bible's prophetic prowess, like cyrus being named , these have been debunked already.. but does there seem to be a genuine prophecy in there somewhere ?.
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Vidqun
Let me try again. The dating of the Gospels are indeed disputed. No help there. Here's an interesting quote from Josephus. The fact that the tribe of Christians did not go extinct, tells you they survived the destruction of Jerusalem. I would venture to say that they had advance warning.
3. (63) Now, there was about this time Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to call him a man, for he was a doer of wonderful works—a teacher of such men as receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many of the Jews, and many of the Gentiles. He was [the] Christ; (64) and when Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men amongst us, had condemned him to the cross, those that loved him at the first did not forsake him, for he appeared to them alive again the third day, as the divine prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful things concerning him; and the tribe of Christians, so named from him, are not extinct at this day . [1]
Eusebius reported that some Christians fled to Pella. But as a Church Historian his testimony would not be accepted by all, seeing that he had a vested interest in the matter.
Pliny mentions it as being famous for its spring (Nat. Hist. v. xvi , 70). It seems to have been destroyed by the Jews in ad 66, in revenge for the murder of the Jews of Caesarea, but Eusebius (Eccl. Hist. iii. v , 3) relates that the Christians of Jerusalem fled to Pella when Vespasian prepared his attack. In the later Roman and Byzantine periods it was one of the centers of the Christian community and its bishops in the 5th and 6th centuries ad are known. [2]
If one can establish that Jesus' prophecy concerning Jerusalem is authentic, then one should examine the prophecy of Daniel carefully, because he referred to Daniel the prophet by name. That is one of the reasons why I take Daniel's prophecy seriously.[1] Josephus, F., & Whiston, W. (1996). The works of Josephus : Complete and unabridged, p. 379. Peabody: Hendrickson.
[2] Negev, A. (1990). The Archaeological encyclopedia of the Holy Land (3rd ed.). New York: Prentice Hall Press.
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Is there one Bible Prophecy.....
by Phizzy inin the form of a prediction, that can be proven to truly be a prediction,i.e written before the event, and it came true ?.
it would be good not to have time wasters on this thread in the form of the common ones that are brought up to demonstrate the bible's prophetic prowess, like cyrus being named , these have been debunked already.. but does there seem to be a genuine prophecy in there somewhere ?.
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The dating of the Gospels are indeed disputed. No help there. Here's an interesting quote from Josephus. The fact that the tribe of Christians did not go extinct, tells you they survived the destruction of Jerusalem. I would venture to say that they had advance warning.
3. (63) Now, there was about this time Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to call him a man, for he was a doer of wonderful works—a teacher of such men as receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many of the Jews, and many of the Gentiles. He was [the] Christ; (64) and when Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men amongst us, had condemned him to the cross,b those that loved him at the first did not forsake him, for he appeared to them alive again the third day,c as the divine prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful things concerning him; and the tribe of Christians, so named from him, are not extinct at this day . [1]
Eusebius reported that the Christians fled to Pella. But as a Church historian, his testimony would not be accepted by all, seeing that he had a vested interest in the matter.
Pliny mentions it as being famous for its spring (Nat. Hist. v. xvi , 70). It seems to have been destroyed by the Jews in ad 66, in revenge for the murder of the Jews of Caesarea, but Eusebius (Eccl. Hist. iii. v , 3) relates that the Christians of Jerusalem fled to Pella when Vespasian prepared his attack. In the later Roman and Byzantine periods it was one of the centers of the Christian community and its bishops in the 5th and 6th centuries ad are known. [1]
[1] Josephus, F., & Whiston, W. (1996). The works of Josephus : Complete and unabridged, p. 379. Peabody: Hendrickson.
[2] Negev, A. (1990). The Archaeological encyclopedia of the Holy Land (3rd ed.). New York: Prentice Hall Press.
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Is there one Bible Prophecy.....
by Phizzy inin the form of a prediction, that can be proven to truly be a prediction,i.e written before the event, and it came true ?.
it would be good not to have time wasters on this thread in the form of the common ones that are brought up to demonstrate the bible's prophetic prowess, like cyrus being named , these have been debunked already.. but does there seem to be a genuine prophecy in there somewhere ?.
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Vidqun
Knowsnothing, without going into detail, the Christians survived the destruction of Jerusalem. They went from strength to strength from there, whereas the Jews had to reorganize at the Council of Jamnia (late first century CE). The possibility is they had prior warning and fled before Jerusalem was destroyed.
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Is there one Bible Prophecy.....
by Phizzy inin the form of a prediction, that can be proven to truly be a prediction,i.e written before the event, and it came true ?.
it would be good not to have time wasters on this thread in the form of the common ones that are brought up to demonstrate the bible's prophetic prowess, like cyrus being named , these have been debunked already.. but does there seem to be a genuine prophecy in there somewhere ?.
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Vidqun
An alltime favorite of mine is the prophecy of the destruction of Jerusalem by the Romans.
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We know what Babylon means. What does Egypt mean?
by N.drew inrevelation 11:8 .
and their dead bodies will lie in the street of the great city which mystically is called sodom and egypt, where also their lord was crucified.
revelation 11:8. .
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Somewhat off the thread, but this is the King of the North and South in context. My method is to merge prophecy with historical reality. When these meet, one’s interpretation can start:
According to Daniel’s worldview, the inhabited earth could be passed off as a stage, the spotlight or focus falling on his homeland, Israel. In his introduction to Daniel 11 we are introduced to two unusual players, the King of the North and the King of the South (Dan. 11:3, 4). The disintegration of the Alexandrian Empire would give birth to these two entities (Dan. 8:8). According to Dan. 11 the identity of these kings would be subject to change. An identifying mark of the King of the North would be his fanatical opposition to the King of the South.
Both kings would be intimately involved with Daniel’s people, Israel. The territory of Israel, called “the beautiful land” (= “the land of the Decoration”), was strategically important because of it serving as a land bridge between Asia and Egypt. The prophetic names of these kings would stem from their territory’s spatial relationship to Israel. E.g., the Seleucids would be based in Syria, to the north of “the beautiful land” = King of the North. The Ptolemies would be based in Egypt, to the south of “the beautiful land” = King of the South.
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Any Snappy comebacks to this email
by loosie inwhy you should seek further higher education.
the kingdom hall is your university, jehovah is your professor, jesus is your instructor , .
the holy spirit is your protector, the angels are your support system, .
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As a presentation at a service meeting, a youngster told an elder that he would like to become a computer programmer. This affluent elder (whose daughter was attending college at that stage) presented the young man with an alternative solution. Why not go from house to house, and ask people whether he can respray and service their old microwaves ovens. That way he can contine pioneering and support himself.
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Any Snappy comebacks to this email
by loosie inwhy you should seek further higher education.
the kingdom hall is your university, jehovah is your professor, jesus is your instructor , .
the holy spirit is your protector, the angels are your support system, .
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Vidqun
Try using that degree when applying for a job.
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We know what Babylon means. What does Egypt mean?
by N.drew inrevelation 11:8 .
and their dead bodies will lie in the street of the great city which mystically is called sodom and egypt, where also their lord was crucified.
revelation 11:8. .
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Vidqun
Here is some research I did a while back on "the great city Egypt" of Rev. (11:8) and "the land of Egypt" of Dan. (11:42, 43) for what it's worth:
After the death of Messiah, “the Leader of [the] covenant” (cf. Dan. 9:26; 11:22), the identity of “the beautiful land” would change. Fleshly Israel as a nation would be rejected (cf. Matt. 21:42-44; 23:37, 38; Luk. 13:34, 35). God would choose a new nation, made up of people of the nations, for his Name (Ac. 15:14).This new nation (= spiritual Israel) would inhabit a spiritual realm, “the beautiful land”, i.e., the spiritual estate (or paradise) of God’s anointed remnant (cf. Is. 66:8). This new “beautiful land” (= “the land of the Decoration”) stands in stark contrast to “the land of Egypt” mentioned in Daniel (11:42, 43). Egypt then referred to the land of the Pharaohs as well as the headquarters of the King of the South. Moreover, in the first century CE, after “the beautiful land” would undergo its identity change, “Egypt” would acquire a new symbolic meaning. This is the key that would unlock the final verses of Daniel 11.
Because ancient Egypt was a hub of international trade, it would show hospitality to a host of nations (cf. Gen. 41:57). Its populace at that stage would be a fair reflection of the “global village” of today. In the book of Revelation she is portrayed as a great city, the capital of Satan’s debased world. This would in all probability be the new location of Satan’s throne during the Lord’s Day (cf. Rev. 1:10; 2:13). Rev. 11:8 informs us:
And when they have finished their witnessing, the wild beast that ascends out of the abyss will make war with them and conquer them and kill them. 8 And their corpses will be on the broad way of the great city which is in a spiritual sense called Sod´om and Egypt, where their Lord was also impaled.
What does this great city “Egypt” represent? In the Revelation Climax-book we find a detailed discussion on the subject:
Jesus was impaled there. So we immediately think of Jerusalem. But he also says that the great city is called Sodom and Egypt. Well, literal Jerusalem was once called Sodom because of her unclean practices. (Isaiah 1:8-10; compare Ezekiel 16:49, 53-58.) And Egypt, the first world power, sometimes appears as a picture of this world system of things. (Isaiah 19:1, 19; Joel 3:19) Hence, this great city pictures a defiled “Jerusalem” that claims to worship God but that has become unclean and sinful, like Sodom, and a part of this satanic world system of things, like Egypt.
According to the Keil-Delitzsch Commentary, “Egypt, as the chief power of the south, represents the mightiest kingdoms of the earth. (and there shall not be for an escape), expressive of complete overthrow, cf. Joel 2:3, Jer. 50:29.” Daniel (11:42) uses a form of hendiadys (Gr. hen dia dyoin, ‘one through two’). Lit. “And he will stretch out his hand against the lands (= the earths), and land (= earth) of Egypt will not escape”, i.e., “lands” = “land of Egypt” (cf. Zech. 14:17, 18: “families of the earth” = “family of Egypt”). BDBLex adds: “5. pl. ’ärâtsouth is almost wholly late… it denotes lands, countries, often in contrast to Canaan, lands of the nations.” A few translations add “other” to Dan. 11:42, usually in cursive script. However, this is understood and not part of the text.
Here “the land of Egypt” does not refer to Christendom as such, but the domain in which Christendom operates, amongst mankind alienated from God, i.e., the “world” under Satan’s control. This would include territories in the domain of the King of the South, as well as those held by the King of the North. In other words, “the land of Egypt” would here point to the current satanic system of things, encompassing the entire world. This is Satan’s counterfeit “kingdom”.