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The future of the Watchtower

by Exterminator in

what are your thoughts on the watchtower's future?.

here's my guess: they will move away from the increasingly embarrassing dates of 1914 and 1919, rather stressing the "success" of their organization as credentials.

there will be even more emphasis on the concept of god's organization.. the result will be total sclerosis, for god's organization cannot err nor be reformed by men.

OBVES

This is undeniable fact and reality . Read the Bible how many verses are there about the end of the world .

Preaching the end of the world is a distinctive characteristics of the true christian religion.

No wonder the International Bible Students and Jehovah's Witnesses can be viewed as the true christian religions in the endtime era .read my posts on alt.bible ( google group ) or go to the forum Jehovah's Witness Online to a section :

Conspiracy Theory,End of the Times Predictions ,Jesus 2.0

To have an alternative you can listen to Open Forum on radio by Harold Camping.I am listening to him very often though he is my opponent. He is against Jehovah's Witnesses while I am standing for them .

He is teaching the end of the world in 2011 AD . I am preaching the end in 2011 AD and my life for years has been turning around the predictions of the end of the world .

Check http://www.familyradio .com

Basically if you are not interested nowadays in the end-time predictions when Jesus may come your religion is fruitless.

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The future of the Watchtower

by Exterminator in

what are your thoughts on the watchtower's future?.

here's my guess: they will move away from the increasingly embarrassing dates of 1914 and 1919, rather stressing the "success" of their organization as credentials.

there will be even more emphasis on the concept of god's organization.. the result will be total sclerosis, for god's organization cannot err nor be reformed by men.

OBVES

Leave the world of fantasy if you thought the Watchtower was all wrong . Just go to Jehovah's Witness Online forum and find subforum there on end of times predictions . Learn how good at dating the Watchtower was . It should turn you around !

The date 1914 AD is stronger than even the Watchtower thought just get into my calculation methods and the dates that come out them .

You can check me out on some google groups : alt.bible and alt.apocalypse.

OBVES.

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it was near, then very near, then very, very near...only once

by oompa in

***w9 71/1p.11par.18 let all glorify jehovah!

both the increasing light on bible prophecy and the anarchy of this dying world cry out that the end of satans system is very, very near!

a year or so ago they also said it was imminent....and in 1969 they swore it was just a few years away............so for a fds that claims godly direction...he sure has gotten them lost a bunch on this path to everlasting life....funny...not once did he do that to his org.

OBVES

To get into the spirit of the end-time check what is being taught today on this subject ,not years back .

Daniel 12.4,9 states that the words ( the numbers were written as words too ) were sealed up to the end and check it out if now we are at the end reading my posts . Or go to

http://www.familyradio.com and let Harold Camping explain you what times we are living now .

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it was near, then very near, then very, very near...only once

by oompa in

***w9 71/1p.11par.18 let all glorify jehovah!

both the increasing light on bible prophecy and the anarchy of this dying world cry out that the end of satans system is very, very near!

a year or so ago they also said it was imminent....and in 1969 they swore it was just a few years away............so for a fds that claims godly direction...he sure has gotten them lost a bunch on this path to everlasting life....funny...not once did he do that to his org.

OBVES

The issue of the end-time prophecies is one of the most fascinating topics of the Bible.If you don't like what I am explaining using the dates or numbers you get the Wall Street Journal and see the numbers there and see a difference .

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it was near, then very near, then very, very near...only once

by oompa in

***w9 71/1p.11par.18 let all glorify jehovah!

both the increasing light on bible prophecy and the anarchy of this dying world cry out that the end of satans system is very, very near!

a year or so ago they also said it was imminent....and in 1969 they swore it was just a few years away............so for a fds that claims godly direction...he sure has gotten them lost a bunch on this path to everlasting life....funny...not once did he do that to his org.

OBVES

Don't be wiser than God Yahweh that gave us the Bible and we have plenty of texts there about the end of the world.And we have numbers there as well that were written as words and the words were sealed up to the end-time era - Daniel 12.4,9-12.

We have signs given there and they must be fulfilled before the end comes.And the true christians should know how far we may be to that very end.

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it was near, then very near, then very, very near...only once

by oompa in

***w9 71/1p.11par.18 let all glorify jehovah!

both the increasing light on bible prophecy and the anarchy of this dying world cry out that the end of satans system is very, very near!

a year or so ago they also said it was imminent....and in 1969 they swore it was just a few years away............so for a fds that claims godly direction...he sure has gotten them lost a bunch on this path to everlasting life....funny...not once did he do that to his org.

OBVES

There is another preacher of the Bible - the best on radio on this earth - from http://www.family radio.com who came up with the same date 1994 AD and now with the year 2011 AD.He is 87years old and see what books he wrote on the subject of the end-time . And compare his knowledge of the Bible to yours.

How he explains the year 1994 AD he wrote about in the two books .Yet he predicts the 2011 AD.

You can get for free his publications :
" Time Has an End "; " The End of the Chruch Age and After " ; " Wheat and Tares " ; " We Are Almost There ".

by calling 1-800-543-1495 .

He you listen to His Open Forum programs just as I do though I don't agree with him on many issues.
By the way right now I have an audio tape running that I recorded with his Open Forum .

We have to have real reasonable explanations why the past predictions failed and why we should rely on the next .

The year 1914 AD is a clear indicator the International Bible Students were the only true christian religion back then and Jehovah's Witnesses using the name Watchtower are their successors .And you cannot escape this reality if we are living in the end-time era.

There must be a period of 120 years counted as patterned after Noah's days before the end comes.This must be a peculiar period that has time limits on it .

1879 AD + 120 years = 1999 AD.

1884 AD + 120 years = 2004 AD.

1891 AD + 120 years = 2011 AD.

So ,we can see clearly that the end could not take place unless 120 years are passed .

1914 AD + 120 years = 2034 AD.

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it was near, then very near, then very, very near...only once

by oompa in

***w9 71/1p.11par.18 let all glorify jehovah!

both the increasing light on bible prophecy and the anarchy of this dying world cry out that the end of satans system is very, very near!

a year or so ago they also said it was imminent....and in 1969 they swore it was just a few years away............so for a fds that claims godly direction...he sure has gotten them lost a bunch on this path to everlasting life....funny...not once did he do that to his org.

OBVES

Each and every person that studies the Bible seriously must decide for themselves are we really near the end of the world.

If you are seriously interested in this topic you must read what are the latest predictions and how they came about . And compare them to the earlier predictions.

Of all the past predictions before 1973 AD only those by the International Bible Students and Jehovah's Witnesses seem to have been the best; as they were done by the people that represented the true revived christianity.

Read my posts on alt.religion.jehovahs-witn ( a google group ) or go to Jehovah's Witness Online forum to see why . At that level of understanding the Bible back then they were the only one to rely upon. No other christian organization matched them at that time.

As we get really closer and closer to the real end there must be good reasons to explain why the past predictions had failed and why the current prediction for 2011 AD is the best of all the predictions , including my two last predictions : 2004 AD and 2005 AD.

Note that I made predictions for 1991 AD,1994 AD,1999 AD,2000 AD,2001 AD as well .Had I not made them , then, most likely I would not be qualified to make the prediction for 2011 AD. The line of the predictions is very important .

Of course if you have some oil in your head it would be good if you make searching to find out how I came to those predictions on what basis . That is why you should read my post history wherever it is possible.

These are the dates that unquestionably point to the International Bible Students and Jehovah's Witnesses as the best christian organizations of the end-time era : 1879 AD,1884 AD,1914 AD ,1935 AD,1942 AD,1975 AD.
By studying my posts you can learn why these dates are so important to take into account.

If you don't agree challenge these dates by using new ones you can come up .

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did the "the end will likely happen" in 1975 teaching start in 1966???

by oompa in

is the book mentioned below where it all started?....released in 1966 at dc......i don't think there was any mention of 1975 before this because no 6000 years timeline ending in 1975 had come out before to my knowledge......anybody?

?............oompa *** w66 10/15 pp.

628-629 rejoicing over gods sons of liberty spiritual feast *** .

OBVES

The other date is the year 2034 AD but it is a weaker prediction when compared to the date 2011 AD.

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did the "the end will likely happen" in 1975 teaching start in 1966???

by oompa in

is the book mentioned below where it all started?....released in 1966 at dc......i don't think there was any mention of 1975 before this because no 6000 years timeline ending in 1975 had come out before to my knowledge......anybody?

?............oompa *** w66 10/15 pp.

628-629 rejoicing over gods sons of liberty spiritual feast *** .

OBVES

The date 1975 AD was not so bad , if it was predicted ! If you read my posts Jehovah's Witnesses were very close ! 6000 years from Adam finished in 1974 AD. But from Eve the spring 1975 AD would mark the 6000th anniversary .

But forget that now a s the past predictions pale away when compared to the new latest prediction for 2011 AD.

I am talking about the high likelihood that in the year 2011 AD the second coming of the Messiah is to occur and this will mean the new world order will be established on earth . It will take one year to firmly establish it : Sept/Oct 2011 AD - Sept/Oct 2012 AD .

Most living people today will not survive till the year 2012 AD. 3 years from now only small number of people living today will be still living and that will be already under God's Kingdom rule.
For 22 years from 2012 AD - 2034 AD ( Sept/Oct ) many living people at that time ( many will be raised to life ) will learn the new rules of God's Kingdom and the nation of Israel will return to God Yahweh - 2011 AD - 2017 AD - 2018 AD ( 70 years from 1947 AD -1948 AD when national natural Israel was revived as a state ).

Then will begin God's 1000-year Sabbath day under the Messiah Jesus Christ and his 144000 servants.
There will be sabbaths : every 49 and 50 years exchangeably .
God's name with its numerical value 99 from 2772 ( 27+72 ) determines these sabbaths. 49+50 = 99 .

Go to Jehovah's Witness Online forum or google groups : alt.bible or religion.jehovahs-witn and find my past messages to learn more about calculations based on the Bible and resulting dates.

The past time patterns confirm very strongly that the year 2011 AD is that year the end of the present evil world order should occur.
We have abundant timelines to expect rightly the end in 2011 AD.

The end-time era began with 1878 AD and we superimpose the dates from ancient times upon this era to know we are close to the end .
Did you hear about Harold Camping ? He is the best preacher of the Bible on radio and I consider him as my most serious opponent and he came up with the same date 2011 AD different way and he has many views I can not agree with.
I am sympathizing with Jehovah's Witnesses and their predecessors : the Internatinal Bible Students considering both as the only true christian organizations in the end-time era using the dates based on calculations .
The calculations are a very good convincing way to get to know who is approved of by God Yahweh at the end-time era as His true worshippers.

7 BC = 1879 AD ; 2 BC = 1884 AD; 29 AD - 33 AD - 36 AD = 1914 AD -1918 AD -1921 AD.
29 AD - 33 AD - 36 AD = 1984 AD-1988 AD -1991 AD . 70 AD = 1950 AD ; 106 AD = 1914 AD.
By combining these two timelines and using the period of 49 years we can come up with 1935 AD - 1942 AD .
The Internatinal Bible Students : 1914 AD - 1918 AD - 1921 AD .
The Jehovah's Witnesses : 1935 AD - 1939 AD - 1942 AD.
Obves : 1984 AD - 1988 AD - 1991 AD -
Luke 9.49-50 allows for the existence of one indpendent servant of Jesus aside from one small united group of servants of Jesus .
We have ,then, the repetition of what had happened before .
We can see how perfect God Yahweh is in His time plan of salvation.The dates are perfectly aligned and there cannot be a one year of deviation.

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Discussion about the bible.

by Anti-Christ in

okay it's has been a while since i started a good old discussion about the bible.

i will discuss a few facts about it that a lot of religions (including the wtbts) don't like talking about.

first the formation of the ot.

OBVES

If you have doubts study my posts how I am using the numbers from the Bible to prove we live in the end-time era .

Also you should listen to Open Forum program by Harold Camping from the Family Radio Stations,Inc . Go to

http://www.familyradio.com

and hear what Camping is speaking about the Bible as the inspired Word of God.