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  Lesbian protest kiss at convention during CO's talk... taking it too far?

  by Joliette in

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  i had the funniest thought at work...what if me and three apostate friends protest at a convention, and right before the song during a c.o's talk, we got up, and pretended like we were gonna do a normal sister embrace, and then, out of no where, me and the other 'sister' do would a long lesbian kiss while the c.o.

  is giving a talk on fornication....what do you guys think the audience would do?.

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  ShadesofGrey

  I don't think it is likely to wake anyone up?
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  The world is passing away but He that does the will of God remains forever - 1Jo. 2:17

  by mankkeli in

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  this was taken from the watchtower 1975, august 15. paragraphs 12&13.

  12 resources and abilities that we might possess should be used to advance kingdom interests, rather than letting them serve as hindrances in the race for life.

  for instance, if you have an extra house, could you sell it and use the money to enter the pioneer service instead of working hard to maintain both houses?

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  That's great JWB... much more accurate.
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  Do you hate God

  by Star tiger in

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  i beginning to think that this would be a good way of thinking, a totally righteous being would not let all the shit that is happenning to people prevail, this being cannot have the best interests of man as his first priority, it's all about ego and no matter how the human familty suffers, he hates pretty much everyone, as the tv show says, your fired, let's get a better god, one who at least gives everyone a chance!!.

  i welcome comments from god apologists, to at least have an argument as to why they put they're faith in someone that does'nt give a shit about them!.

  star tiger.

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  ShadesofGrey

  There are certain others' "styles" here that I don't particularly care for, as well... but, as you said, I can overlook it. I learned in college once that it is the MESSAGE that is most important, versus the messenger and/or the media/presentation...

  Agreed. :)

  Shades

  P.S. I have tried to stop using the nickname SOG because I saw someone use those initials to stand for Jesus. Plus, shades sounds cooler.
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  What's The Biggest Difference In Today's JWs And The Witnesses From Decades Ago?

  by minimus in

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  i believe today's witnesses lack zeal, resolve, "love" of the "truth"......just to name a few things.. years ago, witnesses were excited to knock on doors and tell people they were gonna die if they didn't accept paradise.. now, when you see jws in service, they all look zombied out.. it's a slowly dying religion that will last probably forever like an ancient rotted out tree..

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  ShadesofGrey

  The biggest difference that I have seen is that decades ago JWs had fun. Now it seems any fun at all causes too much guilt aboout time wasting.
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  It is SO depressing when you just can't get through to someone

  by ilikecheese in

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  i have been hitting a brick wall trying to pry my boyfriend away from this stuff.

  it just makes me cry that it's so obvious to me how wrong it is, and he's not even batting an eyelash.

  he knows about all of the scandals, all of the false prophecies, the coverup of sexual predators, that elders tell abuse victims to stay with their spouses, that they dishonestly use sources, and he just doesn't care.

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  ShadesofGrey

  Brother in law and nephew are now free. Never going back they say! Also a friend of mine is saying the same thing. I don't know if they will end up Christians, but it was God's word and spirit that reached them. So... including me, so far in 5 months time... and not using any secular sources... we have 6 people free of the cult, and 5 more who have listened or asked questions.
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  "Extreme physical abuse" only grounds for separation, NOT divorce.

  by cedars in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  forgive me if i'm a bit slow with the title to this thread.

  the true absurdity of the cult that robbed me of my intellect for so long is still beginning to dawn on me.. i'm doing more research into domestic violence as part of a response to the notorious "wife beating" article in the feb 2012 watchtower.. i was shocked to find a question from readers in the w75 5/1 p286-288 which basically said that a battered wife would not be scripturally free to divorce her husband.

  my first reaction was that this stance must have changed since 1975, but then i dipped into my own memory from serving as an elder, and of course, adultery (including porneia) is given as the only scriptural grounds for divorce down to this day.. please can somebody correct me if i'm wrong, preferably with a reference?

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  I personally have two good friends who were disfellowshipped for divorcing abusive husbands. Another waited years for the elders to prove that her husband had shacked up first.

  So... that is what happens in practice. True stories. 2 of these women are still JWs. :(

  and another thought: What about sexual abuse? A man can purposely not give his wife pleasure you know.
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  It is SO depressing when you just can't get through to someone

  by ilikecheese in

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  i have been hitting a brick wall trying to pry my boyfriend away from this stuff.

  it just makes me cry that it's so obvious to me how wrong it is, and he's not even batting an eyelash.

  he knows about all of the scandals, all of the false prophecies, the coverup of sexual predators, that elders tell abuse victims to stay with their spouses, that they dishonestly use sources, and he just doesn't care.

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  ShadesofGrey

  My wife is a witness and she will not leave the religion without becoming an atheist or agnostic. For years, I never understood why this was. I left many churches without "leaving God" but leaving the Jehovah's Witness religion is not the same as leaving a church. Most churches accept other churches as valid, even if only half heartedly. The witness religion accepts no other religion as valid and spends a great deal of time invalidating every other religious faith out there except their own. Once they wake up and realize that there faith may be equally invalid, they may just give up on faith altogether. "Where else can they go?"

  Well, I will tell you what happened with me. I read a WT comparing the JW governing body to Moses and realized that they were trying to take Christ's position. My life changed right then and there. I am now a born-again Christian.

  I told my husband and he went about researching the 1914 doctrine, then a missionary (JWinfo.net, contact him!!!!) showed him that Jesus is Jehovah and he was Born Again.

  He called his sister, told her what he had learned and by the end of the conversation she said Jesus is the Lord.

  With God all things are possible.

  Where else can they go?

  "Come to ME all who are weary and heavy-laden, and I will give you rest." Matthew 11:28

  http://4jehovah.org/anne-marie-s-corner/but-where-else-is-there-to-go.php

  Christianity is not a religion, is not a denomination, but a relationship with Jesus Christ. And how can we not love Him?
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  It is SO depressing when you just can't get through to someone

  by ilikecheese in

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  i have been hitting a brick wall trying to pry my boyfriend away from this stuff.

  it just makes me cry that it's so obvious to me how wrong it is, and he's not even batting an eyelash.

  he knows about all of the scandals, all of the false prophecies, the coverup of sexual predators, that elders tell abuse victims to stay with their spouses, that they dishonestly use sources, and he just doesn't care.

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  Combatting Cult Mind Control and How to Rescue Your Loved one from the Watchtower, Ten Things you should tell a JW.

  I had a very good discussion with my dad. When I type it out I will link you to it so it will give you an idea of how to ask questions.

  And don't forget the power of prayer. I have all my friends praying. :)
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  It is SO depressing when you just can't get through to someone

  by ilikecheese in

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  i have been hitting a brick wall trying to pry my boyfriend away from this stuff.

  it just makes me cry that it's so obvious to me how wrong it is, and he's not even batting an eyelash.

  he knows about all of the scandals, all of the false prophecies, the coverup of sexual predators, that elders tell abuse victims to stay with their spouses, that they dishonestly use sources, and he just doesn't care.

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  ShadesofGrey

  Everyone is different. If it weren't for Christ I would have never left the cult.

  I would like us all to help you. There are experts on this as well, of course. The minister who runs JWinfo.net helped me the most. So far witnessing to family is going well but only because I do as I am told. God has directed me to certain ones and not others, etc.

  Are you praying for him? Is God directing you to try to help him? Have you read Christian books on the topic? Have you told him what is wrong with the JW Lord's Evening Meal and why?

  And yes... there are some that we aren't going to reach. They aren't reachable or not ready.
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  "Extreme physical abuse" only grounds for separation, NOT divorce.

  by cedars in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  forgive me if i'm a bit slow with the title to this thread.

  the true absurdity of the cult that robbed me of my intellect for so long is still beginning to dawn on me.. i'm doing more research into domestic violence as part of a response to the notorious "wife beating" article in the feb 2012 watchtower.. i was shocked to find a question from readers in the w75 5/1 p286-288 which basically said that a battered wife would not be scripturally free to divorce her husband.

  my first reaction was that this stance must have changed since 1975, but then i dipped into my own memory from serving as an elder, and of course, adultery (including porneia) is given as the only scriptural grounds for divorce down to this day.. please can somebody correct me if i'm wrong, preferably with a reference?

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  Christians are not under law, therefore we need to look at Christ's example and personality and the principles behind his actions. I know Him. I do not believe that Christ would really ask someone to remain with their spouse (or remain separated and alone for the rest of their lives) in these circumstances.
  
  We run into a lot of problems when we try to apply black and white laws to every situation without seeing any shades of gray.

  Was Jesus addressing every possible scenario when he said that a man should only divorce his wife on the grounds of fornication, or was he addressing a certain viewpoint from a certain group of people? If we want to get picky, was he only saying that husbands shouldn't divorce their wives? If we want to make laws out of it, then yes... he said nothing about wives divorcing their husbands... so does that mean that wives can't divorce their husbands or does it mean that wives have more than one reason to divorce their husbands, but husbands have only the one?

  And yes when my spouse committed adultery it really didn't affect me much at all. He had already hurt and betrayed me much worse before that point. Even now when I think of our past, his act of adultery doesn't even come to mind really. No one understood that until I spelled it out to them.