Posts by nicolaou

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

by Simon in

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uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

by Simon in

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friends

uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

nicolaou

I wonder if he's been dropped? I no longer see LE listed in the upcoming Live Streams.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

by Simon in

jw
friends

uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

nicolaou

Pimopaul: Wonder if this Christian Apologist Knows Lloyd's History?

I placed a link in the comments to lloydevans.info but it was removed pretty quickly.

Hopefully he's at least taking the time to read up but who knows.

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God cannot lie

by psyco in

the bible does not say that god does not want to lie, but that he cannot lie or it is impossible for god to lie.

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so, if god cannot lie, for what purpose and why did he create creatures (satan, demons, humans) who can lie?.

nicolaou

Lakes of fire, first resurrections, second deaths? I abandon you to your mumbo-jumbo.

I don't know what I expected really. When Christians defend God's killing of innocent children they're hardly going to flinch at hiding his lies.

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A Modest proposal to solve the 1914 problem

by r51785 in

throughout watchtower history dates have been a problem.

the usual solution for failed prophetic dates has been to kick the can down the road.

this needs to be done with 1914. the generation that will never pass away is now 110 years old and therefore is past its useful life span.

nicolaou

Scholar: The fact of the matter is that not one of these lines of evidence is based on the Bible so this corpus of so-called lines of evidence belongs in the trash can.

Pure cognitive bias.

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God cannot lie

by psyco in

the bible does not say that god does not want to lie, but that he cannot lie or it is impossible for god to lie.

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so, if god cannot lie, for what purpose and why did he create creatures (satan, demons, humans) who can lie?.

nicolaou

How long does it take to eat a piece of fruit?

Adam and Eve had no expectation of living forever so where's the punishment if the death sentence is imposed at the very end of their lives when they would have died anyway?

Please answer for yourselves, don't hide behind links to someone else's apologetics.

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Where’s the 2023 Service Report?

by slimboyfat in

what’s keeping them?

this has got to be the latest it’s ever been.

maybe it’s the last one they’ll ever publish too, after dropping reporting hours for publishers ….

nicolaou

Slim', what would you say is the difference between JW's and the other faiths you mentioned as regards growth?

To my mind there is one big fat difference that accounts for the JW's continued growth where other religions are struggling.

Shunning.

If that control mechanism was absent as it is in those other religions (I stand to be corrected) then the exit rate would be so much higher. They'd still be baptising kids of course, I doubt the baptism rate would go down, but the churn rate would shoot even higher than it is already.

The JW's have nothing to be proud of in their continued growth, the price of it is simply too high.

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God cannot lie

by psyco in

the bible does not say that god does not want to lie, but that he cannot lie or it is impossible for god to lie.

.

so, if god cannot lie, for what purpose and why did he create creatures (satan, demons, humans) who can lie?.

nicolaou

Your pretend conversation is contrived to support the point that you want to make

Well of course it is so why not choose to address my point Jan instead of wasting effort attacking my analogy? The 'pretend conversation' I used may have been clunky but the obvious point I was making is that Adam and Eve did not die as God has said they would but rather they lived on (for centuries if the Bible is to be believed).

God lied.

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Did Jesus have a pre-existence or was he fully human, begotten at his human birth.

by gavindlt in

so when was jesus begotten.

was he truly and wholly fully human.

did he exist in two states, part human part god.

nicolaou

C'mon Slim', I'm perfectly aware of Christian belief as you know full well. I responded to an opening post (which is becoming a bit more common around here) where the supernatural is taken as a viable and sensible proposition, indeed reality has not even been offered as an option in this topic.

Well if reason and rationality can be ignored so blithely I can equally discount the religious nonsense on offer and state the simple facts as they are.

Happy New Year

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Did Jesus have a pre-existence or was he fully human, begotten at his human birth.

by gavindlt in

so when was jesus begotten.

was he truly and wholly fully human.

did he exist in two states, part human part god.

nicolaou

Do you really need to be told how babies are made? Mary had sex with someone and 9 months later Jesus was born. He was a man like any other.