Messenger, I never said you were lying neither did I call you names as you did with me.
I just asked for FACTS and all I got from you were generalities.
True, I don't live with GB members, but they are not hermits, they live and work daily shoulder to shoulder with thousands of bro/sis. ( and I have several friends there) who have the chance to see what they do and to know their whereabouts and apparently the majority don't judge questionable, or excessive, or fraudulent, what they see. Are they all blind or what? Are you the smartest of all to detect the deception?
I know you'll probably say that many actually do see what you saw but keep it for themselves and don't have the guts to quit for several reasons blablabla...
My opinion is that no matter how good one is there'll always be somebody who will view him in a negative light and misjudge his motives. Jehovah himself has wayward children and very likely they view Him as an unfair, power-hungry, selfish tyrant, and view his rule as a limitation of their freedom and a form of mind-control. Then what? It is God's fault? If they view things like that, they are not forced to side with Him.
Same with you guys.
Thanks for your share anyway. I think I have explored enough your take on this matter and have had my suspects confirmed.
NICKITA
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by NICKITA init seems that many who post on this board hold that the jw organization is a fraud, schemed mainly bu the g.b.
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but so far i have never read something as to the reasons behind the fraud.
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Fraud?
by NICKITA init seems that many who post on this board hold that the jw organization is a fraud, schemed mainly bu the g.b.
members.
but so far i have never read something as to the reasons behind the fraud.
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By the way, Messenger, I'm not from eastern Kentucky. Not from that State, not from that country, not even from that whole continent.
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by NICKITA init seems that many who post on this board hold that the jw organization is a fraud, schemed mainly bu the g.b.
members.
but so far i have never read something as to the reasons behind the fraud.
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Expatbrit:
How can you say:
"No doubt they really do believe they are God's channel on Earth"
and then state:
"the more out of the spotlight they stay, the less critical attention focused upon them, the easier it is for them to ensnare yet more people"
If they are sincere in their belief, how can it be said they are scheming to "ensnare" others? Wouldn't they just be doing their best to promote what they believe (sincerely, although, in your opinion, mistakenly) is the Truth, to persuade others?
Messenger:
"they do not have to buy a home they live in a mansion (patterson) with every need taken care of, why would they want to move out. they have gardners, cooks, maids, security, butlers, chauffers, not one wealthy person lives as well as these guys"
The same can be said of all Bethelites no matter their task. They all have access to the same services made available to the family.
"how many of the gb have you ever...ever...ever...seen work in the field ministry, or how many when they are home, actually attend meetings, do you really know??little one, you may be shocked to know the real answer to that question"
Do YOU really know? Do YOU know the real answer to that question? Then please tell me the FACTS. I promise you I won't be shocked.
"the travel thing? fishing trips, skiing trips, sight seeing trips, you name they do it on a very regular basis"
Skiing trips? At their age? Wow, what are they, supermen or what?
I think the only balanced opinion I've read so far is that of Moxy. Thank you.
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by NICKITA init seems that many who post on this board hold that the jw organization is a fraud, schemed mainly bu the g.b.
members.
but so far i have never read something as to the reasons behind the fraud.
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As to the "money" thing: do they really get thousands of dollars into personal accounts? And then what do they use the money for? Buying homes to live in once they retire? They live and die in their Bethel rooms anyway. Or are they perhaps planning to hand over their riches to their children?
As to the "prominence" thing: I have seen G.B. members several times at conventions and met some fo them at the H.Q. and I never felt as if they were seeking glory for themselves. Rather, I've seen them shying away when brothers in their enthusiasm have gone "beyond", treating them as celebrities.
Moreover, where else have you seen somebody seeking glory and power for himself who wakes up with the "working class", sits at the same tables with them and shares the same food? And does himself what requires the deceived ones to do (preaching, meeting attendance and so forth)?
About the "travel" and "resort" thing: I find it hard to believe that the G.B. built this whole thing for the sake of taking a few trips a year at someone else's expenses. I figure out there must be several easier ways to get the same result (and have more fun) without messing so much.
Still have to hear something that makes sense.
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by NICKITA init seems that many who post on this board hold that the jw organization is a fraud, schemed mainly bu the g.b.
members.
but so far i have never read something as to the reasons behind the fraud.
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It seems that many who post on this board hold that the JW organization is a fraud, schemed mainly bu the G.B. members. But so far I have never read something as to the reasons behind the fraud. Something making real sense, I mean.
Given that deceptions are always schemed in order to gain some advantage (usually financial) out of them, can someone please explain what do G.B. members eventually gain out of this alleged "fraud"? They spend all their life working at the headquarters, getting the same monthly allowance all other Bethelites do. Where's the gain? Sheer "power"? Hard to believe, since men have always sought power for the prominence it grants and the material gain it makes possible to get. It doesn't look like G.B. members have been very good at it, after all.
Any idea?Nickita