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  Can someone put Sparlock on WIKIPEDIA

  by Witness 007 in

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  i found it too hard but he should be in there!!!

  anyone know how?.

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  dropoffyourkeylee

  If wikipedia doesn't allow a Sparlock entry, the Unencylopedia site surely will. It is hilarious if you haven't seen it yet. Here is the entry about the name 'Jehovah': http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Jehovah
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  The new kids DVD - was it deliberate? What are we missing?

  by cedars in

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  2. friends

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  normally i don't go in for these conspiracy theory ideas, but a comment by kurtbethel on another thread got me to thinking.

  might this latest dvd actually be proof that there are operatives inside watchtower hq who are deliberately sabotaging the society's material?

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  dropoffyourkeylee

  With the Sparlock video, the Society has forgotten one of the basic ideas from their cult indoctrination playbook, that is, don't introduce the weird stuff until the new member is already well along. There are so many positive Christian messages they could have chosen for the first video... showing love to grandma and grandpa, kindness to neighbors, even witnessing to a friend, but no!, they choose a goofy, negative message which only a fully indoctinated Witness would approve of. Just wait until they start to show this video to new or relatively new studies, young mothers with children who study, this is really going to backfire.
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  24 baptized at Tucson, AZ today - attendance 5,670

  by Gayle in

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  a friend, non-jw, went to convention today.

  she observed about 1/3 baptized were youth.. ***********************************************.

  i read article:.

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  dropoffyourkeylee

  24/5670 = 0.4%

  50/10300 = 0.5%

  By contrast I recently found in my old papers a convention program from the Divine Victory Assembly in 1973. The program is from June 21-24, 1973 in Tiger Stadium, Detroit Michigan. There were 982 baptized on Friday morning, with 49,114 in attendance.

  982/49114 = 2.0%

  Baptisms are only one fourth as much as they used to be.
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  2012 Convention Releases

  by garlic81 in

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  2. friends

  post 51 of 52. since 3/27/2009.

  google_ad_section_start i can't verify the authenticity of this information as i have not personally attended.

  however this is what is posted on another site.. friday:.

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  dropoffyourkeylee

  So now that the first convention is over, can someone please list the new releases?
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  2012 Convention Releases

  by garlic81 in

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  post 51 of 52. since 3/27/2009.

  google_ad_section_start i can't verify the authenticity of this information as i have not personally attended.

  however this is what is posted on another site.. friday:.

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  I could see them making a tweaking change to the NWT, as they did in the mid 80's. It is in need of a major re-work though, with virtually every verse re-phrased to be more readable, which is less likely to happen any time soon.

  Concerning their practice to <almost> never release a book on Sunday at the summer conventions, this is simply a matter of practicality. At one time I was involved in the book room at the assemblies, and we were instructed that there were to be no books left over to ship back to the society. We had to make sure to get rid of all of them, even if it meant transferring entire boxes over to some of the congregations who wanted them. The problem with a Sunday release is that if there are any left at the end of day Sunday, the bookroom overseer has a problem. They simply don't want the logistic problem of excess books, and the extra shipping cost to get them either back to WT or to another assembly site.
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  2012 Convention Releases

  by garlic81 in

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  post 51 of 52. since 3/27/2009.

  google_ad_section_start i can't verify the authenticity of this information as i have not personally attended.

  however this is what is posted on another site.. friday:.

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  Since any substantial release is always done by Saturday, I can presume that Fatherless's comments are correct.

  I would concur that the NWT needs a major revision, but I doubt we will see one any time soon.

  Reason 1, the cost. Every Jw would want/need a copy of the new edition, and the Bible is one of the more expensive to produce. The WT society is too short of cash to produce a translation (and then to re-translate to other languages) in 7 million copies

  Reason 2, the Society doesn't have anyone qualified to revise the translation. Wait a minute , they never have had any one qualified to produce a credible translation in the first place... never mind
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  Any rumors about any releases? - Conventions start in 12 days

  by Gayle in

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  conventions start may 18 according to jw.org.. hopefully, there will drops in baptisms as reported from 2011. unfortunately, there will be the poor kids..

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  I think the biggest factor is that of cost. Over the years since the donation arrangement, especially after '08, the releases have gotten fewer, leaner, and cheaper. I don't expect anything this time over 32 pages, maybe a DVD. If there is a book, it will be a paperback 192 pager at most.
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  2005 - The year the Society began its decline (without anyone noticing)!

  by cedars in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i've just finished an article for randy over on freeminds.org, which i've submitted to him for review.

  hopefully it should be online soon, so please keep checking!.

  the article discusses the fact that the watch tower society is already in decline, and suggests the year 2005 as the turning point.

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  jws, I disagree. With the pentration of high speed access and the ubiquity of internet access and computer technology, more people, more numbers of people are online.

  I agree with Baltar on this one. The availability of information at home on the internet is major. I remember going into a Christian book store in the 80's and asking for Crisis of Conscience. The lady went into their back room and found a copy and said, "The Lord must have wanted you to have this, as it is the only one we have." I still remember the cold sweat I broke into as I started to read it when I got in the car. I sat there in the car for about an hour. The point is that it was hard to get the anti-JW information back then... the internet has changed everything. The Society's ability to propogandize has diminished with the ubiquity of internet access.

  On the flip side, there is also a potential for harm, as some extreme ideas that would never have reached the light of day have found victims thru the internet... think Heavens Gate in the 90's and that idiot from Norway that has been on the news recently
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  Cedar's 'Why The Watch Tower Society Is Already In Decline"

  by Dogpatch in

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  why the watch tower society is already in decline.

  good article, cedars.. http://www.freeminds.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=3236:why-the-watch-tower-society-is-already-in-decline&catid=31:governing-body&itemid=346.

  it's also on the front page of freeminds.org.

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  Nice job Cedars, keep it up.

  I think a 'tipping point' for the Witnesses, at least in the US, is when the number of ex-Witnesses ( or those who only associate thru family, but do not believe) exceeded the number of Witnesses. The Witnesses often cite the number of Memorial attenders as people who are 'waiting in the wings', interested people from the street. In reality, the vast majority of these Memorial attenders are former Witnesses, or family members who have come because of family considerations. They do not believe and will never believe. At the point when there are so many people who know enough about the religion to know that it is bull****, the religion has very limited growth potential.
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  Assembly Hall in Indianapolis for sale - $2,895,000

  by TJ Curioso in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  you can see this here:.

  http://image.exct.net/lib/fef71176746c00/d/2/1201%20n%20delaware%20st%204%20pg.pdf.

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  dropoffyourkeylee

  Why does it look like a government building?

  Not typical cookie cutter Witness architecture to be sure.

  I think I read that this building in Indianapolis was built in about 1910 by a religious organization, I forget which one. The Witnesses refurbished it. So being a historic building (also in a good location), they may get a lot of money for it.

  The plans announced last summer were that the Indianapolis, IN and London Ohio assembly halls would both be sold and a new 3000 seater built near Cincinnati. So far, beyond collecting money, there has been nothing done except put the for sale sign out in front of the building in Indy. They have not even purchased any land in the Cincy area yet. The whole deal is starting to sound fishy