codex sinaiticus now available to all from home:.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25785089/.
bts.
Samuel Bagsters LXX shows Psalms 83:18 (LXXXIII.18) and it is in the Greek w/ Kyrios, for Lord. Some manuscripts seem not to have had all features...
from THE SEPTUAGINT WITH APOCRYPHA: GREEK AND ENGLISH Originally published by Samuel Bagster & Sons, Ltd., London 1851
reprinted 1999
Nice try, but you can't win them all
Mustang
codex sinaiticus now available to all from home:.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25785089/.
bts.
Outlaw:
This is what I got; it seems to run out at v13.
I'm adding what I found in Blue Letter Bible: that says that the LXX doesn't have any info on it.
I'm going off to the bookshelf and look in the Septuagint. B acj in a flash
Mustang
a prominent bethel elder shared this information with another elder: there are some bethel workers who have been invited to leave bethel, but are refusing to do so and are taking the society to court while still residing in brooklyn.
if this is true, this could be the reason behind the sale of brooklyn property.
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TNX, Besty,
The problem is that while these citations & precedents are used by WTS, they don't mention JW's at all: they are all about other religions. I'll try your site, though
PS: Daniel, good show; that adds fuel to the fire.
Mustang
a prominent bethel elder shared this information with another elder: there are some bethel workers who have been invited to leave bethel, but are refusing to do so and are taking the society to court while still residing in brooklyn.
if this is true, this could be the reason behind the sale of brooklyn property.
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Again, the major issue is the underlying problem of how far does Church Law go? This is very little known territory: I didn't say unknown or never traveled, just little known.
The precedents that WTS uses for defeating DF'ing as a Cause of Action have been discussed here. I believe that one of them discusses career issues under Church Law. I am still looking for those: they are about 5000 or 6000 threads back
Mustang
a prominent bethel elder shared this information with another elder: there are some bethel workers who have been invited to leave bethel, but are refusing to do so and are taking the society to court while still residing in brooklyn.
if this is true, this could be the reason behind the sale of brooklyn property.
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If in fact the WTS does end up getting sued from Bethelites that are being forced out, the Bethelites, if they so desired, might just have a case to sue. It wouldn't be too difficult to prove that they were lured into serving at Bethel with the clear promise that they would be taken care of for life. Not only that, but many could also stress the point that they gave up promising 'worldly' careers on the very advise from the people who are now kicking them out.
I repeat: the appropriate Cause of Action is DETRIMENTAL RELIANCE. It's Civil, but what is being dealt with here is Civil Fraud.
Yes, this formula builds a plausible case.
Mustang
a prominent bethel elder shared this information with another elder: there are some bethel workers who have been invited to leave bethel, but are refusing to do so and are taking the society to court while still residing in brooklyn.
if this is true, this could be the reason behind the sale of brooklyn property.
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Don't they have to sign "vow of poverty" so the WBTS get charity status.
Not necessarily: the 501(c)3 Non-Profit status is not directly tied to the Vow of Poverty. WTS had the Non-Profit thing long before they went to VoP's. You can have a religious Non-Profit scenario without having unpaid volunteer work that would warrant the VoP's.
The VoP was done to keep the TaxMan from wandering around Bethel and asking to see the tax and pay records of these 1000's of bodies that MUST be making a pile of $$$'s.
As I recollect, the VoP requires a minimum stipend, set arbitrarily @ 100$/month or 1200$/year. Once this is all taken care of, filing the tax returns for a few thousand Bethelites was a piece of cake.
The Roman Catholic Church has had this practice in place for centuries; it simply got grafted into the US Codes to account for this anomaly in the economic capitalistic system. However, the RCC does customarily take in these people FOR LIFE, with no quibbling.
Once WTS discovered this, a major headache became explainable. It neatly tied up a loose end.
However, this may not have been thought out for a proper long term solution: Mary points out that Bethel has been promoted as a LIFETIME CAREER, IN WRITING. That's a loose end that amounts to the tail wagging the dog.
There were non-JW tenants in the building, who had a right to stay there under NYC tenant laws.
Eviction is not a snap-your-fingers, done-deal matter. This is one of a variety of legal situations that make eviction a slow process. And if you find a new wrinkle, Stays and Injunctions can freeze things the way they were for long periods of time.
And while DF'ing (a Church Law Tribunal matter) would change status of the original arrangement (Contract), that is not good enough to cross the actual Civil/Secular jurisdiction of Tenancy Laws.
Mustang
i've been invited to "visit" the unitarinan church tomorrow am.
what do you guys think?
it doesn't really sound like a religion to me.
Ned Flanders doesn't like them
Mustang
a prominent bethel elder shared this information with another elder: there are some bethel workers who have been invited to leave bethel, but are refusing to do so and are taking the society to court while still residing in brooklyn.
if this is true, this could be the reason behind the sale of brooklyn property.
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The VoP, being a "Condition of Employment" strengthens a Detrimental Reliance action. The ultimate problem is how well the long term was thought out and what precendets have gone before.
That Intent paperwork, even if for a foreign country, can be used for precedence; it can also be used for a generic type of Civil Rights complaint. Try USC Title 42 Section 1983. WTS has used that one, themselves.
Disclaimer: none of what I mentioned is to be considered Legal Advice. Seeds of thought are to be taken to those that can make them grow.
Mustang
a prominent bethel elder shared this information with another elder: there are some bethel workers who have been invited to leave bethel, but are refusing to do so and are taking the society to court while still residing in brooklyn.
if this is true, this could be the reason behind the sale of brooklyn property.
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2) People went to Bethel voluntarily and the Watchtower is under no obligation to do anything for them.
It would depend a lot on who said what when and if a judge can be persuaded that whatever was said constitutes an obligation to be met.
The question is: does the Vow of Poverty have any obligation attached to it. They all had to sign the VoP, after a certain time 10 or more years ago. The VoP is in the Federal codes, Title 26, I believe. If there is no current ruling, this could force a court battle to attach a Pension arrangement onto what is already there.
Mustang
a prominent bethel elder shared this information with another elder: there are some bethel workers who have been invited to leave bethel, but are refusing to do so and are taking the society to court while still residing in brooklyn.
if this is true, this could be the reason behind the sale of brooklyn property.
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There's also the Branch's letter saying how it was their idea to provide for longtime volunteers.
Intent in writing!!! Wonderful: go for retroactive Pension contributions.
Mustang
