CC: Yes that is an interesting observation about Franz reversal. How many JDubs know this? Not many I'm sure. I only recently learned it myself.
"Such fatuous naivete has cost us dearly."
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Posts by 00DAD
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92The Faithful and Discreet Slave - A JW Myth
by 00DAD inprobably this topic has been dealt with before, but i'm relatively new here, so perhaps y'all will be willing to indulge me in my pursuit for clarity.
regarding the anointed, the gb recently said this: .
"we thus have no way of knowing the exact number of anointed ones on earth; nor do we need to know.
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PART 2 - PESTILENCE - How The Watchtower Distorts Facts and Builds Fear
by KingDavidwasframed inwt quotes are taken from their own website so as not to be out of context as the jdub apologists will cry out.
http://www.watchtower.org/e/20060915/article_02.htm.
watchtower writes there will be .
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KDwF - FYI: You can edit your own posts for 1/2 hour after creating them by clicking on the little pencil & balloon icon on the top right of your post. I just learned that myself a day or two ago!
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duh-duh-duh, duhnt-duhnt, dun-dun, duhnt!
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The Faithful and Discreet Slave - A JW Myth
by 00DAD inprobably this topic has been dealt with before, but i'm relatively new here, so perhaps y'all will be willing to indulge me in my pursuit for clarity.
regarding the anointed, the gb recently said this: .
"we thus have no way of knowing the exact number of anointed ones on earth; nor do we need to know.
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compound complex: Thanks for those references. I've read CofC - very enlightening, as I know you know. I'm not familiar with the Four Presidents book, but coincidentally I just came across the name Gruss earlier today.
Thanks,
Daniel
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The Faithful and Discreet Slave - A JW Myth
by 00DAD inprobably this topic has been dealt with before, but i'm relatively new here, so perhaps y'all will be willing to indulge me in my pursuit for clarity.
regarding the anointed, the gb recently said this: .
"we thus have no way of knowing the exact number of anointed ones on earth; nor do we need to know.
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Thanks all for your responses so far! A couple of quick replies:
- cedars - I agree completely with your statement "You can't describe yourself as being a representative or a mouthpiece for a group of people you never communicate with." This is the sentiment which prompted my post. Perhaps you missed my PS at the bottom of the original post (I added it a few minutes after creating this thread). Yes, I already know the whole concept of the "Faithful and Discreet Slave" is a fabrication, so you don't need to convince me of that. I just want to know if they, the GB, has ever even attempted to explain how they are supposed to work together.
- wobble - Two other JW myths: Yes, I'm familiar with both of these:
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- There was a Governing Body in the 1st Century, and
- God has always had an earthly Organization
The WTBTS/GB has on many occasions written "justifications" for both of these doctrines. Yet it seems they've never even tried to explain how they are supposed to communicate and work in conjunction with the FDS. Hence my question.
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Need a good laugh this morning?
by therevealer inpage 4 the watchtower ?
december 15, 2011. baptism and full-time ministry.
in 1940 several in our congregation rented.
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The Faithful and Discreet Slave - A JW Myth
by 00DAD inprobably this topic has been dealt with before, but i'm relatively new here, so perhaps y'all will be willing to indulge me in my pursuit for clarity.
regarding the anointed, the gb recently said this: .
"we thus have no way of knowing the exact number of anointed ones on earth; nor do we need to know.
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Probably this topic has been dealt with before, but I'm relatively new here, so perhaps y'all will be willing to indulge me in my pursuit for clarity. Regarding the anointed, the GB recently said this:
"We thus have no way of knowing the exact number of anointed ones on earth; nor do we need to know. The Governing Body does not keep a list of all partakers, for it does not maintain a global network of anointed ones." - Question From Readers, w2011 8/15 p. 22
The GB publicly admits that it does not know those who profess to be of the anointed class. They do "not maintain a global network of anointed ones" which is of course also those individuals who would comprise the "Faithful and Discreet Slave" (FDS):
"all of the anointed ones living on earth at any given time constitute 'the faithful and discreet slave'"- w07 11/1 p. 30 par. 12
So if the GB does not know WHO they are are WHERE they are, certain questions quite naturally come to mind.
- How exactly does the FDS class communicate with the GB?
- How exactly does the FDS as a group coordinate with the GB in the providing of spiritual food?
- How exactly is the FDS class involved with the selection of the GB members?
Be specific.
To your knowledge, has the GB at anytime or anywhere even made an attempt at explaining the mechanism(s) for how any of this supposedly works and how the FDS and the GB allegedly interact?
I look forward to your comments!
Daniel
PS - I already know the whole concept of the "Faithful and Discreet Slave" is a fabrication, so you don't need to convince me of that. I just want to know if the GB has ever even attempted to explain how they--the FDS and the GB--are supposed to work together. It's their organizational chart. In 25 years as a JW I can't remember a single instance, not once, where they even took a whack at explaining this one.
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A question for current/former elders
by Mickey mouse inwhen you had to deal judicially with cases of apostasy, did it ever pique yout curiousity?
did anyone ever tell you about something they had learned that shocked you and made you investigate for yourself?.
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Interesting, although this is hardly a scientific survey, the post here indicate that the majority of judicial cases were NOT involving apostasy.
And yet the WT makes out like it is one of the more prevalent issues. Curious ...
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PART 2 - PESTILENCE - How The Watchtower Distorts Facts and Builds Fear
by KingDavidwasframed inwt quotes are taken from their own website so as not to be out of context as the jdub apologists will cry out.
http://www.watchtower.org/e/20060915/article_02.htm.
watchtower writes there will be .
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No doubt that the WT uses scare tactics and "yellow journalism" techniques to promote their agenda.
Nevertheless, it is important to not misunderstand statistics like those of Average Life Expectancy. It is just that, an average. Consider these comments by Philip J. Goscienski, M.D. on the subject of The Life Expectancy Myth:
Life expectancy is a statistical determination that is useful to population experts but not to individuals. Anthropologists have calculated that the life expectancy of a Stone Ager was about 28 years, giving the impression that he or she would be elderly at 30! Yet fossil studies reveal that about 10 percent of humans who lived before the Agricultural Revolution made it past the age of 60. If it were not for homicide, many more would have lived that long.
Infant mortality is one of the main determinants of life expectancy and it helps to explain why it was only about 45 years for Americans in 1900. Once we developed decent plumbing, childhood vaccines and high-quality premature infant care our life expectancy nearly doubled in a century.
Or as explained another way, the problem is with the use of averages:
Dramatically Longer Average Lifespans: Fact, Myth, Or Something Else? - Yes, the average life expectancy a century ago was low, but it was dragged down by an astounding -- by our standards -- number of childhood deaths. Fifteen percent of children died before age three, and over twenty percent before age eight. Now 99%+ make it to their fifteenth birthday, and we don't lose 20% of a given year's children until they're ... over 65.
There are many examples of average lifespans in the sixties or older from centuries past.
The book Expectations of Life (summarized here) shows that members of the English aristocracy could, if they lived to twenty, expect to live into their sixties. Remarkably, this is true for any time after the thirteenth century (with the exception of plague years).
Our own analysis of the signers of the Declaration of Independence shows an average lifespan of 66 years, with many living into their seventies and longer. Their average age at the signing was 45.
Noted aging researchers Leonid Gavrilov and Natalia Gavrilova looked at over 6,000 women born into European aristocracy in the 1800s and found that those that survived to age 30 lived until their mid-60's (born in the early 1800s) to almost 80 (later in the 1800s).
A sampling of Cape Cod gravestones of the early 1700s finds many marking the final resting place of people who died in their sixties, seventies, or even eighties.
Or to quote Mark Twain, "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics."
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Okay I believe the Andre thing now.
by Sharpie inbefore, i was thinking, this whole thing with the character the writing department has must be a coincidence.
they must use other names?.
nope.
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André talked to a Christian elder [about his masturbating], and he's glad he did. "As the elder listened to me, his eyes filled with tears," André says. - *** yp2 chap. 29 p. 240 How Can I Keep My Mind off Sex? ***
OK, am I the only one that thinks it's more than a little weird that when André talked to an elder about masturbating the elder gets all emotional, "his eyes filled with tears"?!?
Yeah, I bet that elder wanted to "check on [André's] progress"!
Probably the elder needed ask a lot of "pertinent, discreet questions" just "to isolate main issues and determine how or why [the] problem developed" of course.
"So, uh, André, would you mind telling me again exactly how it was that you did this? Perhaps you could demonstrate, show me. I want a clear picture of what happened. Take your time, don't hurry, nice and slow ..."
This would all be for the purpose of "Judging With Righteousness, Wisdom, and Mercy".