bungi bill: i cant tell you how many times i went round and round with that same premise. that is exactly what i would say too. if the identifying mark is love among eachother, how can you say it's not about people? crazy
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"it's not about people"
by stillin inthat is what my wife always says if i express discontent with the present-day organization.
i should just put my unease aside and serve jehovah, regardless of what the other people are doing.
but they are just plain embarrassing sometimes!
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on the subject of elders reading this message board
by cptkirk ini'm still laughing to myself thinking about elders/bethelites reading this messageboard.
yet another contradiction to throw in the basket.
didn't they always say how dangerous it is to read anything that contradicts the teachings of the wts?
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very interesting comments band. i was wondering if you might share some of what you're on? i think the legal situations pertained to copyrighted documents, such as the elders manual.
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Apostates Shut the door of everlasting life in Men's Faces
by mankkeli ini was discussing with an elder today, and as usual the conversation drifted towards apostates and their line of reasoning, he angrily looked into my eyes with the scriptures in his hand and told me:.
(1) that apostates are destructive peddlers who shut the door of everlasting life on people as they are very sure they have no portion in there.
he quoted matt 23:13- 13 woe to you, scribes and pharisees, hypocrites!
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this guy is a troll, why are you feeding it? he was talking to the anointed yesterday, now an elder that would chop off everyones heads here? ...
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on the subject of elders reading this message board
by cptkirk ini'm still laughing to myself thinking about elders/bethelites reading this messageboard.
yet another contradiction to throw in the basket.
didn't they always say how dangerous it is to read anything that contradicts the teachings of the wts?
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i'm trying to wrap my head around the mental image of a boe watching fatal attraction together.
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"it's not about people"
by stillin inthat is what my wife always says if i express discontent with the present-day organization.
i should just put my unease aside and serve jehovah, regardless of what the other people are doing.
but they are just plain embarrassing sometimes!
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yea. i couldn't justify this either. how am i supposed to go knock on people's doors, tell them to come follow this organization, when the guy they assigned to work with me has like 5 schemes going to destroy the reputation of 2-3 other people in the congregation (i'm knocking on people's doors to tell them about love?)....and half the people are nuts..the other half in cognitive dissonance...ummm sorry i got some serious conscientious objections here, peace. i'll leave you all to your impending collapse, count me out.
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on the subject of elders reading this message board
by cptkirk ini'm still laughing to myself thinking about elders/bethelites reading this messageboard.
yet another contradiction to throw in the basket.
didn't they always say how dangerous it is to read anything that contradicts the teachings of the wts?
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thanks for sharing that violia. i remember reading a post a couple weeks ago, where the guy said he knew certain people from bethel were reading the board here. maybe paranoia.
one of the few reasons this subject interests me, is because i'm curious of just how desperately they want to control the flow of information. it intrigues me how little confidence they have in their message, seeing how far they might go to try and control the flow completely. certainly does sound like behavior exhibited by people who have "the truth". panic/red sirens at every counter piece of information, yea...
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on the subject of elders reading this message board
by cptkirk ini'm still laughing to myself thinking about elders/bethelites reading this messageboard.
yet another contradiction to throw in the basket.
didn't they always say how dangerous it is to read anything that contradicts the teachings of the wts?
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yea...well i'm still waiting for some answers on the question of logic.
if elders come here to finger someone - how do they rationalize this? it's a huge break in logic. and it tells me they care about one thing, power/control. not dogma.
also what is the verdict? how often are bethelites/elders reading this site for information? and how many of them? 6? 60? 600?
i've seen things that tell me they dont believe the dogma. that they stay in because like you mentioned there is to much to lose, hence they begin to
be motivated by things such as self importance. their feeling of status in the org, etc.
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on the subject of elders reading this message board
by cptkirk ini'm still laughing to myself thinking about elders/bethelites reading this messageboard.
yet another contradiction to throw in the basket.
didn't they always say how dangerous it is to read anything that contradicts the teachings of the wts?
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cptkirk
as i've stated multiple times in the past. i dont fully understand the inner workings of this organization. nor do i know in what capacity
elders/bethelites read this site. i do although have a reasonably good idea of how the borg functions at it's higher levels. and i've been told by
members of this web site, that they do come here. with that stated, you can see why i worded it the way i did. "i'm laughing to myself thinking" about
them reading this. so you're saying even dozens of elders would be an exaggeration? now if THAT is true, i would agree my logic is fucked. but
that isn't the way it was articulated to me.
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on the subject of elders reading this message board
by cptkirk ini'm still laughing to myself thinking about elders/bethelites reading this messageboard.
yet another contradiction to throw in the basket.
didn't they always say how dangerous it is to read anything that contradicts the teachings of the wts?
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i'm still laughing to myself thinking about elders/bethelites reading this messageboard. yet another contradiction to throw in the basket. didn't they always say how dangerous it is to read anything that contradicts the teachings of the wts? even a disfellowshiping offense?
but for these guys the standard is different? think of all the information presented here which completely un-does the wtbs teaching. not just random people venting/voicing their anger towards some policy which made them miserable. but actual real concrete information that truly un-does most of what the wtbs teaches.
that is always the knee-jerk superficial reaction to isnt it? that people are bitter about some dictate which made them unhappy. never that people actually took the time to research the dictate and find out it was complete nonsense?
anyway i'm actually posting this for a reason. if the afore mentioned information stated is accepted, can we not set up an equation then?
would it not be reasonable to believe that these guys do not even believe what they are teaching themselves? think about it. if these guys get the ok to come here, and try to finger people (which will expose them to massive amounts of information that completely un-does their dogma).
isn't there only one possible reason they would put their folks in the line of fire in this way? that one reason being, they dont believe it themselves. therefore there is no risk in coming here, because their motives for being "elders/bethelites" etc. has nothing to do with "a dogma". therefore, the dogma is never in jeopardy for these folks, because it's not their prime mover to begin with!
this is a very simple equation which would lead to this conclusion. the math is there. if they are always so keen on teaching that nobody is immune, anyone thinking he is something is nothing, pride before a fall etc etc etc. then what is left? there is only one conclusion. they thesmevels do not believe what they are teaching, they value their status in the wts, because they failed in the real world and some sort of status was their whole entire motivation all along. this would keep them immune no matter how much disproves their dogma, because their dogma is secondary anyway. and they will just wait for noolite if the heat gets to be to much.
you should see some of these guys when they get to be around true status. their entire attitude shifts on a dime. you think they are so pious and all this..get them around real status, their personalities shift on a dime. i've seen it many times. if you are still in that organization, try it out sometime. if you dont have any access to anyone with status, i guess you'll never know. but if you have some connection of some sort, take an elder with you sometime, and watch his entire persona disintegrate.
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"The Bible is Not a Book. It's a Library."
by leavingwt ini would like to call your attention to this recent article by karl giberson, ph.d., scholar of science & religion, and the former president of the biologos foundation.
his conclusion is that we need not dismiss all of the bible, just because some of it is not accurate.
.. but how do we decide which parts of the bible should be read literally?
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how many of the books found in the dead sea scrolls are even in the bible? half? what is the criteria for deeming one canonical and one not? if there is this much discrepancy between what they CHOSE to put in the bible....how much more discrepancy is there between the dozens of books they left out?