what i don't get about the russian petition action:.
watchtower launched at march, 21 the petition action.. in the instructions they write it can take 14 days for postal arrival in russia.. on april, 5 they expect legal clarification from the supreme court.. so, conclusion: the letters will arrive just around the day of clarification.. conclusion: this action is planned for media impact only.
if it was to make judges think, (what they don't do on a petition cry), .
The same source mentioned that the Russian branch has already planned an extensive underground Plan B, in case the April 5 decisions goes against them. And this underground activity of JW's is what bothers me the most.
Can you say anything about what the 'Plan B activity' will be?
i've been thinking about this the past few days and curious what the honest consensus is here just for fun.. show of hands,.
is the governing body.... a: completely sincere.
they really do believe what they teach.. b: somewhat sincere.
I agree all the leaders - Russel, Rutherford, Knorr and Franz *knew* it was made up BS.
Does that include the current GB members too?
BTW I agree with your remarks that they know it's all made up.
with all the emphasis on hierarchical succession in that wt, , what ever happened to mentioning of the refreshing, liberating "rotating of positions" period, the time of great increase?
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I merely wanted to point out how odd it is, that an arrangement, that would have served to broaden the base, and ferret out latent talent, would not be mentioned in a shake-up article like that.
with all the emphasis on hierarchical succession in that wt, , what ever happened to mentioning of the refreshing, liberating "rotating of positions" period, the time of great increase?
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The rotational arrangement was wrong, S V.
comment: It was wrong only from the standpoint of wt's goal to establish an iron-handed hierarchy. From the standpoint of the mag. studied, it would have broadened the base of skilled brothers with hands-on involvement but it exposed too many superfluous second rate holdouts., among other things.
When I said the rotational arrangement was wrong I meant from a Biblical point of view. Watchtower tried to make a connection with the Bible at the start of the rotation, but it was weak, and later reversed itself in the 1983 Organization book.
"The elders do not serve in these positions on a rotational basis." Organized to Accomplish You Ministry p.41
i've been thinking about this the past few days and curious what the honest consensus is here just for fun.. show of hands,.
is the governing body.... a: completely sincere.
they really do believe what they teach.. b: somewhat sincere.
They're drones...
If sincerity plays a role at all, they're sincere in their interest in perpetuating the Watchtower organization.
i've been thinking about this the past few days and curious what the honest consensus is here just for fun.. show of hands,.
is the governing body.... a: completely sincere.
they really do believe what they teach.. b: somewhat sincere.
C: Completely insincere.
At one time I thought they were sincere, but Geoffrey Jackson changed my mind when he testified before the Australian Royal Commission.
He remarked that the Governing Body were simply "Guardians of the Doctrine." Have you ever heard the GB define itself that way? I searched the term 'guardians of doctrine' in the searchable Watchtower CD and got zero hits. I've never heard the term before, nor seen it in the literature.
Yet he said it so easily, as if he has said it before. I have come to believe that it's an inside joke among GB members; they realize they are the entities that Jehovah's Witnesses really worship. The acronym is G.O.Ds.
with all the emphasis on hierarchical succession in that wt, , what ever happened to mentioning of the refreshing, liberating "rotating of positions" period, the time of great increase?
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Blondie, that's a very good post from Jwfacts. The rotational arrangement was wrong, and who did the Organization blame because they got it wrong? In Watchtower's clever way, they blamed Jesus!
Notice the subheading...
THE KING ORGANIZES HIS SUBJECTS FOR GREATER ACTIVITY
Watchtower 2014 Jan 15 p.15
Of course neither Jesus nor Jehovah had anything to do with it - Watchtower does it's own meddling, makes it's own mistakes, then later has to make it's own refinements - but it sure sounds great to say 'the King did it.'
with all the emphasis on hierarchical succession in that wt, , what ever happened to mentioning of the refreshing, liberating "rotating of positions" period, the time of great increase?
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28 At any rate, the experienced elders and overseers will be available for the Messianic King to appoint as “princes in all the earth,” from the very start of his thousand-year reign onward. [Man's Salvation (book), 1975, page 363, par28] (bold added)
[There are other references saying that "princes in all the earth" applies to elders. (Ps 45:16)]
So they went from being called servants to elders and overseers, to princes and glorious ones. And don't forget the reference that says they are "worthy of double honor." (1Tim 5:17)
Wow, that's more presumptuous and worship seeking than what we usually see in the churches' clergy.
with all the emphasis on hierarchical succession in that wt, , what ever happened to mentioning of the refreshing, liberating "rotating of positions" period, the time of great increase?
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I remember when elders rotated positions. I believe it started when the elder arrangement started in the early 1970s. Without looking it up, I seem to remember that it didn't last very long, only a few years, then it was abandoned probably before the 1970s ended.
There never was a scriptural basis for it.
"all people in the world are currently considered enemies of god" gee i wonder where some poeple get the idea that we are an extremist organization.. " jehovahs chariot is moving forward at blazing speed!
" in what reality is contraction and downsizing moving forward?.
"it used to be that if a congregation reached 150 publishers we would split into 2 congregations now if we have 2 congs.
"Don't believe negative media reports!"
Unless, of course, they are about child abuse in the Catholic Church (or elsewhere), NO NO NO, NOT within Jehober's bOrganization!!
Exactly! If media reports are negative to any other religion you not only can believe it, but Watchtower will quote the media report in the Watchtower and Awake magazines to show how bad that religion is.
But when the same media makes the same report about Jehovah's Witnesses you can't believe it because, to quote Anthony Morris III, the media is controlled by "you know who!" As he is in the habit of doing he didn't finish his thought in that quote, but I suppose he meant Satan.
Okie dokie then.
