Posts by scotoma

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Future NooLight: Let's get prophesying

by Sapphy in

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i've been thinking about how the governing body now say they are the faithful and discrete slave, and trying to think about how this will play out.. as i understand it, the 15th july wt now says that the fds is identified with the governing body since 1971, and before that with a small group of anointed brothers taking the lead at watchtower hq since 1919.. of course they can't come out and say that the fds before 1971 was the wt board of directors because for a few years in the late 1940s hayden covington was both on the board of directors, and he was vice pres of the wt society too.

hayden covington was not anointed and never claimed to be.

he was 'other sheep' through and through.. .

scotoma

What we have now is the first governing body member who was baptized just before armageddon in 1975.

I'm sure Sanderson was baptized in 1975 but did the world end in 1975?

It must have ended in 1975 since the organization is spirit directed.

Wait a minute. 1975 marked the generation that will never pass away. That's right. We were prepared and ready to march into the New World in 1975. But we will have been following the "cloud" (ambiguous teachings) in the wilderness for 40 years in 2015. That's when the end will come.

Witnesses really do live in a "parallel" universe. Everything is parallel. As I understand it - parallel lines come together at infinity.

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Jehovah's Witnesses submission to the United Nations | July 2013 Human Rights session

by jwleaks in

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jw leaks has published an advanced copy of a submission in relation to jehovahs witnesses in kyrgyzstan lodged with the united nations human rights committee session to be held in july 2013.. this submission, dated april 24, 2013, was made by the european association of jehovahs christian witnesses.. www.jwleaks.org/human-rights/.

executive summary of the submission .

this submission to the human rights committee (the committee) on kyrgyzstan highlights violations of the following provisions of the international covenant on civil and political rights (the covenant):.

scotoma

Parakeet,

I have to correct your perception of legal action.

Human governments have tried to build a civil society.

There is a difference between vengence and justice.

Vengeance is an emotionally based reaction to wrongs that have been committed.

Vengeance can damage innocent people in the process and is subject to making mistakes in targeting the real perpetrator.

Civil society handles things in a sysematic, methodical manner and is less error prone than emotionally fueled vengeance.

That's why terrorism is ineffective in the long run. Vengeance is often taken out on innocent people who are not directly involved.

Because JW's live in a world of bizzarro justice adminstered by window washers and carpet layers they don't understand what real justice means.

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Jehovah's Witnesses submission to the United Nations | July 2013 Human Rights session

by jwleaks in

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jw leaks has published an advanced copy of a submission in relation to jehovahs witnesses in kyrgyzstan lodged with the united nations human rights committee session to be held in july 2013.. this submission, dated april 24, 2013, was made by the european association of jehovahs christian witnesses.. www.jwleaks.org/human-rights/.

executive summary of the submission .

this submission to the human rights committee (the committee) on kyrgyzstan highlights violations of the following provisions of the international covenant on civil and political rights (the covenant):.

scotoma

Appealing to a government authority to make a judgement about law is not the same as participating in the political affairs of the world.

Voting for a candidate or making oneself a candidate for political office is a different dimension.

When you vote for someone you are engaging in the appointment of a proxy ruler to represent you.

When you go to court you are requesting consideration in your particular instance. You are not "ruling" the court you are pleading for justice.

No doubt the Society rules hypocritically over its members. But that is another situation altogether. You don't have to be irreprehensible to appeal your case. Even criminals have rights. Murderers can request leniency.

It IS strange to see the Watchtower appealing for "alternative service". That calls into question the divine guidance they were receiving until the mid 1990's.

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Do David Splanes offensive and pompous orations have a silver lining?

by ranmac in

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im starting to think so.. i was still somewhat active in meeting and assembly attendance when i first started doubting the jw life.

when i first heard splane give a discourse, it was a real wake up call as to what kind of people are controling this organization.

the next time i heard him speak he was even worse.. as ive seen on this forum, many people have had the same experience.. in slimboyfats thread, http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/251890/1/british-zone-visit-from-david-splane-a-report-from-the-special-meeting-in-glasgow, he noted this gem from splane: if traumatic things have happened in your past then just don't think about it, that's the best you can do until the new system.. this is one of the most irresponsible and rage inducing comments i have ever heard.

scotoma

I would rather have a robust authoritarian like Rutheford running things. I am old enough to have talked to many old timers and I never met one who acutally liked Rutheford, some hated him. But they all remained in the organization.

Splane is a weak and feeble wimp who got into power by default. These are the worst kind. They are slimy and don't really know what to do with power. They are in power so they think they must simulate power. Think CALIGULA! Read about it on Wiki.

I don't know the exact section of one of Ray Franz's books where the governing body is sitting around discussing something and one of them said "Well, what does the society say about this?" And it was a serious comment. They never thought that THEY were at that moment the "Society".

Just say NO to Yes Men.

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I don't get it ... 80% of people in Oklahoma DON'T have a Tornado Shelter. Are they nuts ????

by RubaDub in

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i really don't understand.

how can any homeowner in his right mind, not have a tornado shelter ???

i understand that some people live in apartments and condos, but someone with any size yard (even a driveway) could have a shelter.. to me it's a no-brainer.

scotoma

Heathen:

People get the things they want and demand. If those gun-totin 2nd Amendment zealots took Tornado Survival seriously they could get the government to provide distributed shelter locations.

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I don't get it ... 80% of people in Oklahoma DON'T have a Tornado Shelter. Are they nuts ????

by RubaDub in

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i really don't understand.

how can any homeowner in his right mind, not have a tornado shelter ???

i understand that some people live in apartments and condos, but someone with any size yard (even a driveway) could have a shelter.. to me it's a no-brainer.

scotoma

Who cares about tornado shelters as long as you have your gun?

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Do some x witnesses shock you despite being one?

by Seraphim23 in

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scotoma

Seraphim:

You have no need to feel defensive. I completely understand your reaction. Thanks for bringing it up.

There are more that read these posts than the few who engage in the discussions. Hopefully they

can overlook some of the things we say and remember that our behavior is mostly reactive and motivated by frustration.

None of know exactly how we will be viewing things a year from now. And no one will know a hundred years from today.

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Do some x witnesses shock you despite being one?

by Seraphim23 in

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scotoma

Seraphim

So it sounds like you are eliminating the Divine from future scenarios for the earth.

Atheism is religion just like gravity is religion? Apparently everything is religion.

There are militant atheists. But most have a realistic view that belief in God serves some function. Let people believe in God. Let atheists not believe in God.

I believe that God is a cheap answer that lets people get on with their lives. We can't all be scientists and philosophers. There is a big world to run and if people occupied themselves with the origins of everything nothing would get done.

JHVH "he causes to be" the great "BE-cause". Mommy why is grass green? BE-cause!

Just Sayin' Nuthin.

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Do some x witnesses shock you despite being one?

by Seraphim23 in

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scotoma

Seraphim,

Atheist are BAD!!!!!

But atheists are in the minority. So that should make you optimistic. The horrible atheist contagion should be easy to control. Then you will have paradise because you will have eliminated the greatest scourge on mankind. You will then be able to end war, come up with new treatments for disease, feed the starving people in the world.

Judge NOT!

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Loaded Language Word of the day : SPIRITUALITY

by BU2B in

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this is really becoming one of my biggest pet peeves.

jws use the word spiritual to describe anyone who goes out in service weekly, holds a congregation position, has privledges, in good standing etc, meanwhile this person can be rude, manipulating, or just plain evil and jws will gush about how spiritual they are.

on the other hand you can have someone sincerely trying to be christlike, manifesting good qualities and kind, helping others out, but if they dont have privleges, pioneer, ms, elder, or dosent comment at the kh, or does not attend enough, that person is not "spiritual" to a jw!

scotoma

"The WT conductor today said you can measure a persons spirituality by looking at the Publisher's Record Card!"

We really really love this teaching.

All those who put in a lot of hours don't need any help. Right. Ignore them. And start helping the ones with 1 or 2 hours field service.

Meanwhile the zealous ones are drifting into all kinds of crap because they are self righteous bastards.

Service time is the currency of the Watchtower organization. Pile it up and you can cash it in on stage time, assembly parts, pioneer club meetings, international assembly attendance. All great opportunities for the status worshiping very ordinary non-spiritual publishers.