Posts by MacHislopp

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Minimus is leaving

by JH in

jw
friends

yup, he's taking a one week vacation in iraq on a peaceful island.

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/49201/1.ashx.

it will be awfully quiet without you minimus, so who should replace him while he's gone?

MacHislopp

Hello Minimus,

just few words... to wish you a nice and great holyday.

All the best...until your return on this Board,

Greetings, J.C.MacHislopp

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Is the story of Adam and eve first introduced in the bible..or BEFORE TH

by gumby in

is the story of adam and eve first introduced in the bible..or before the bible

in the late 1920's a syrian farmer plowing a field on a hill turned up a strange clay tablet.

a french archaeological team went to investigate.

MacHislopp

Hello Gumby,

thanks for the fascinating link:

http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Lofts/2938/majdei.html#El

You can be sure that I'll take...a good look at it!

History is really a great subject!

Greetings, and thanks again

J.C.MacHislopp

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Newbie question about the NGO story

by gcc2k in

i've seen the reproductions of evidence in the ngo story.. let's say i was to discuss this matter with a local friendly elder.

i imagine that the following criticisms would ensue:.

1) that is not a real letter sent by the society (saying it was just for a library card, or as the version from portugal said, to gain favor in certain nations).. 2) the reply from the librarian at the un saying that becoming an ngo is not a requirement for a library pass is not real.. my main concern is with the latter.

MacHislopp

Hello gcc2k,

I've read with interest all your post on this subject and also all the

answer and explanation given to you by many, in this Board.

As you probably know I was among those who started the

all affair and researches on the United Nations, NGO status

and the WTBS Inc....association.

I will not go back to the many questions, documentation etc.etc.

which have been posted and even verified by you.

Please allow me to confirm the factual, logical and true

conclusion given to this matter by our friend Alan F.:

"The most telling proof that Watchtower leaders knew they were practicing gross hypocrisy is that within a few weeks of the public exposure of their involvment with the U.N., Watchtower corporate directors withdrew their membership. If they had nothing to hide, if they were convinced they were doing nothing wrong, then they would not have withdrawn.

They would simply have affirmed their reasons having to do with a library card, issued letters to inquirers explaining and justifying their stance, and that would have been that. But they knew that only the JW community would buy that excuse, and so to prevent continuing criticism by "apostates" and secular and religious journalists, they withdrew."

You have , in just a few lines the essence of the matter.

I'm sure that you'll get the sense of it.

Greetings, James Charles MacHislopp

P.S. Alan, thanks for the 'epitome'!

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"Satanic Thoughts" in The Finished Mystery

by refiners fire in

the organizations position, if pressed, is that they prefer dubbies not to read the finished mystery book, because, even though it served gods purpose and stirred christendoms priesthood into a white heat of hate, the book contains some satanic thoughts that god allowed to slip in there for some reason.

anyway, i thought i might present some of these satanic thoughts so that the household of faith can know what they need to be on guard against.

satan seems to have slipped in a lot of his own thinking, especially when it comes to the books interpretation of the symbols of revelation and what these mean.

MacHislopp

Hello Greven and Refiners Fire,

just more information, concerning:

"C. J. Woodworth was a major individual during the Rutherford period of the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society.

He wrote the commentary on Revelation in the 1917 book The Finished Mystery. Rutherford made him editor of The Golden Age magazine (later called Consolation) from its inaugural edition in 1919 to 1946."

from this link:

http://www.premier1.net/~raines/woodworth.html

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J.F. Rutherford, Communism and Satan

by MacHislopp in

just to share with you, the following:

w50 8/15 p. 251 answering the foes of his government ***

5 we challenge that british jesuit to harmonize, if he can, his accusation with the public declaration by j. f. rutherford, then president of the watch tower society, from londons royal albert hall, sunday, september 11, 1938. delivering his speech face the facts, which was beamed by radio and carried by direct wire to more than 50 cities in the united states, canada, great britain, australia, new zealand and tasmania, and also broadcast by a transcontinental chain of 118 u. s. radio stations,

MacHislopp

Hello Utopian Reformist and TheOldHippie,

I'm glad that you liked this research. Surely

many ..are not aware of it.

Greetings, J.C.MacHislopp

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*Adamthe apple and J.F. Rutherford

by MacHislopp in

just for curiosity take a look at these quotes:

115 a lost sheep finds the right shepherd ***

- the forbidden fruit - that adam ate was

MacHislopp

Hello everyone,

just for curiosity take a look at these quotes:

*** w52 2/15 p. 115 A Lost Sheep Finds the Right Shepherd ***

A Lost Sheep Finds the Right Shepherd

IN THE December 15, 1951, issue of The Watchtower a brief reference was made to an old monk who had embraced the truth. More details regarding this incident having come to hand, we are herewith giving our readers the benefit of them, as related by one of Jehovah’s witnesses.

“Here in the wilderness near the Dead sea and 25 kilometers (15 miles) from Jerusalem, Bethlehem and Jericho, in a high mountain is situated the very old Greek Monastery of Holy Sabbas. Only monks and priests are living there and whoever enters cannot leave it until death. The founder of this monastery, Sabbas, once called all the monks and priests to him and said: ‘Beware of apples and of women; because it was the apple that deceived Eve, and the woman Eve that deceived Adam.’ For this reason no women may come into the monastery. Every year there is a festival of the Holy Sabbas, at which time many from Jerusalem, Bethlehem and Jericho flock to the monastery.

*** w70 11/1 p. 645 It Is Not in the Bible! ***

What, then, was their sin? Precisely what the Bible says it was—the simple act of eating a literal fruit (the Bible does not say it was an “apple”) that God had told them not to eat.

*** g85 6/8 p. 20 Who Said It Was an Apple? ***

Who Said It Was an Apple?

The Hebrew word tap·pu´ach, commonly translated “apple,” appears a number of times in the Bible. But it is not used in describing “the tree of the knowledge of good and bad.” (Genesis 2:9, 17; 3:6) Where, then, did the tradition that the apple was the forbidden fruit come from?

According to Plants of the Bible, by H. N. Moldenke, this idea was “due, no doubt, to the influence of Medieval and Renaissance artists who so depicted it.” For example, about the famous painting The Garden of Paradise by Peter Paul Rubens (1577-1640), now in the Hague Gallery, Moldenke observed: “The fruit on the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil, with the serpent coiling among its branches, seems definitely to be apples. This painting is probably one of those to which we owe the presently widely held misconception that the apple is a Bible plant.”

Regarding the painting Adam and Eve (see above) by the German court painter Lucas Cranach the Elder (1472-1553), in which the apple is depicted, Moldenke commented that the Renaissance painters “loved retaining their right to rely on their imagination when they chose.” Other artists of the time, such as Tintoretto and Titian, did the same in their paintings on the same theme.

Probably among the first to put the idea down in writing, however, was the famous English poet John Milton. In his Paradise Lost (1667), Milton wrote of the temptation of Eve by the serpent:

“On a day, roving the field, I climbed

A goodly tree far distant to behold,

Loaden with fruit of fairest colours mixed,

Ruddy and gold. . . .

To satisfy the sharp desire I had

Of tasting those fair Apples, I resolved

Not to defer; hunger and thirst at once—

Powerful persuaders—quickened at the scent

Of that alluring fruit, urged me so keen.”

Thus, not from God’s Word, the Bible, but from the fanciful, yet misguided, imagination of artists and poets has come one of the most popular myths of Christendom. What was the fruit? The Bible simply does not say, for the vital point is not the fruit but man’s disobedience.—Romans 5:12.

Now, what most of the R&F, and not only them, don’t know , is what has been published in the book :” Jehovah’s Witnesses – Proclaimers of God’s Kingdom” from the WTBS Inc. in the year 1993:

*** jv chap. 30 ‘Defending and Legally Establishing the Good News’ ***

[Box on page 684]

A Witness to the U.S. Supreme Court

When appearing before the Supreme Court of the United States as legal counsel in the “Gobitis” case, Joseph F. Rutherford, a member of the New York Bar and the president of the Watch Tower Society, clearly focused attention on the importance of submitting to the sovereignty of Jehovah God.

He said: “Jehovah’s witnesses are those who bear testimony to the name of Almighty God, whose name alone is JEHOVAH. . . .

“I call attention to the fact that Jehovah God, more than six thousand years ago, promised to establish through the Messiah a government of righteousness. He will keep that promise in due season. The present-day facts in the light of prophecy indicate that it is near. . . .

“God, Jehovah, is the only source of life. No one else can give life. The State of Pennsylvania cannot give life. The American Government cannot. God made this law [forbidding the worship of images], as Paul puts it, to safeguard His people from idolatry. That is a small thing, you say. So was the act of Adam in eating of the forbidden fruit. It was not the apple that Adam ate, but it was his act of disobeying God. The question is whether man will obey God or obey some human institution. . . .

“I remind this Court (it is hardly necessary that I do so) that in the case of ‘Church v. United States’ this Court held that America is a Christian nation; and that means that America must be obedient to the Divine law. It also means that this Court takes judicial notice of the fact that the law of God is supreme. And if a man conscientiously believes that God’s law is supreme and conscientiously deports himself accordingly, no human authority can control or interfere with his conscience. . . .

“I may be permitted to call attention to this: that at the opening of every session of this Court the crier announces these words: ‘God save the United States and this honorable Court.’ And now I say, God save this honorable Court from committing an error that will lead this people of the United States into a totalitarian class and destroy all the liberties guaranteed by the Constitution. This is a matter that is sacred to every American who loves God and His Word.”

The date of the event was

*** jv chap. 30 ‘Defending and Legally Establishing the Good News’ ***

310 U.S. 586 (1940). Walter Gobitas (correct spelling), the father, along with his children William and Lillian, had gone to court to restrain the school board from refusing to permit the two children to attend the Minersville public school because the children would not salute the national flag. The federal district court and the circuit court of appeals both decided in favor of Jehovah’s Witnesses. Then the school board appealed the case to the Supreme Court.

In conclusion, a “brother of Jesus Christ” , an anointed member of “ the Jerusalem above”,

said publicly, in front of the Supreme Court of the United States of America, that :

- the forbidden fruit - “ that Adam ate was …

the apple”!!!

Greetings, J.C.MacHislopp

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"Satanic Thoughts" in The Finished Mystery

by refiners fire in

the organizations position, if pressed, is that they prefer dubbies not to read the finished mystery book, because, even though it served gods purpose and stirred christendoms priesthood into a white heat of hate, the book contains some satanic thoughts that god allowed to slip in there for some reason.

anyway, i thought i might present some of these satanic thoughts so that the household of faith can know what they need to be on guard against.

satan seems to have slipped in a lot of his own thinking, especially when it comes to the books interpretation of the symbols of revelation and what these mean.

MacHislopp

Hello Greven,

thanks for the excellent addition to this topic.

Your quotes are ...gems!!!

Imho, that 'brother' Woodworth was surely

a great pal of demons!

Greetings, J.C.MacHislopp

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"Satanic Thoughts" in The Finished Mystery

by refiners fire in

the organizations position, if pressed, is that they prefer dubbies not to read the finished mystery book, because, even though it served gods purpose and stirred christendoms priesthood into a white heat of hate, the book contains some satanic thoughts that god allowed to slip in there for some reason.

anyway, i thought i might present some of these satanic thoughts so that the household of faith can know what they need to be on guard against.

satan seems to have slipped in a lot of his own thinking, especially when it comes to the books interpretation of the symbols of revelation and what these mean.

MacHislopp

Hello Refiners Fire,

thanks for the quote from the "Finished Mystery".

They are a proof of the nonsense of those two

'brothers' who compiled it, following the orders

of our great and well known judge 'J.F. Rutherford'!

Thanks again for taking you time to post your

research.

Greetings, J.C.MacHislopp

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help what bookstudy book are we in?

by lostandnotfound in

i am new here and i usually dont come to these type of places as they are rampant with apostates.

i still belive in most of the teachings but its the people in the org.

that have turned me away.. the reason that i am posting though is this, i have been inactive for a few months now but i have been holding out telling my parents, friends etc.

MacHislopp

Hello Lostandnotfound,

welcome on this board, and I do hope you'll

enjoy reading so many posts.

Maverick: a very nice answer indeed

"We are not apostates of the True God!

We do not usurp Jesus place in God's arrangement,

nor do we claim to be the earthly channel of His Holy Spirit! "

Amen,

Greetings, J.C.MacHislopp

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Remember the Waldensenes? The society didn't tell all.

by gumby in

scroll down to the highlighted part.. any sharpie ex-dubs see any thing strange?.

1000 years of carnage & barbarity in the name of christ email the author kenneth humphreys.

10th century obscenities-.

MacHislopp

Hello Gumby,

many thanks for this fascinating research.

A very useful one indeed.

UtopianRaindrop: thanks for the additional quotes.

Farkel: Great...as usual! Excellent comment!

Greetings, J.C.MacHislopp