Welcome whatever! You will find a lot of interesting information here, some useful, some funny , and some just plain silly. Think of this as a new adventure in your life and remember you can't change your past, you can only move on from here and mold your future. I try to keep that in mind. My heart aches for you when you describe your childhood because I have two children 18 and 14 and we just left over the last year and a half and I see my children struggling with what you have described. It troubles me so much when I know I did this to them. I thought I was doing the right thing and it just kills me to know I've probably scarred them with the way I brought them up. My 14 year old still tries to be different in school by doing weird things with her hair it's almost like she just doesn't feel comfortable being normal. I'm working with her.
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Ok...I'm new here
by Whatever ini'm a 25 yr old female that was in the "organization from birth until about 18. my mom was babtized; dad was an unbeliever.
is there anyone else that can related to my background/situation that feels 100% meloncholocy and pessimistic about everything in this world?
i feel like when i was growing up, i was taught that, basically, i could not be a part of society.
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Do You Feel That You Were Brainwashed Into Becoming A JW?
by minimus inmany comments are made that jw's are actually brainwashed.
do you think this is true?
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lv4fer
I don't like the term brainwashed or cult. This conjures up visions of mass suicides or Patty Hearst robbing a bank. But what is the difference really. Was I brainwashed? Now that I look back and reflect upon how I thought, what I said, how I acted. Most definitely yes. When I was totally in it around 7 or 8 years ago if one of my children needed a blood transfusion to live I would have let them die. This is ludicrous! I love my kids more than anything. If a man got up on a podium and announced that a good friend of mine was disfellowshipped I would not talk to her anymore. I did that. Because they had convinced me that I was doing the right thing. Now, how does a person who knows right from wrong act in this way. It has to be Brainwashing or if you want to call it mind-control same difference you are not thinking for yourself someone else is telling you what to do and what to think you are a puppet.
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lv4fer
OK so let me get this straight. Someone tells you about a child being abused and the first thing you should do is call the society! What is wrong with this picture. Where is there concern for the child? How is the society going to help anyone. They are not qualified to help anyone. All they want to do is CYA. If someone told me about a child being abused the first thing I'm gonna do is call the cops. So we can get this person arrested. If it is my kid someone better stop me before I castrate the person who abused my child and that is before I kill them. Then I'll plead temporary insane because I would be at that moment. I'm sorry but the last person on my list to call would be the Watchtower Society.
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I'm writing a book and I need all of your help!
by lv4fer ini'm writing a book and i need your input.
i'm trying to determin if more people are born into the borg or are converted.
and if they are converted what religion they were before they became a witness.. so please answer these questions.. 1. were you raised a witness?.
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lv4fer
I'm writing a book and I need your input. I'm trying to determin if more people are born into the BORG or are converted. And if they are converted what religion they were before they became a Witness.
So please answer these questions.
1. Were you raised a witness?
If no
2. What religion if any were your before you became a witness?
3. Did you know the person that taught studied with you? Family member or Friend.
4. Were you a initially contacted by the door to door ministry? If not what other means.
5. Were you df'd before you started questioning the BORG?
6. What was the big thing that made you take the first step into questioning the Borg and start you on your way out?
Thank you for helping me in this respect. I really appreciate it.
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question for all who read CoC
by Realist ini have a question that i really would like to get answered.... did ray franz mention anything about whether the gb members actually believe they are inspired by god or whether they are fully aware that what they spew out is nothing but pure bs!?.
would be great if someone could enlighten me on this!
realist
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You know how some people tell lies over and over so many times that they believe the lie to be the truth. As for the rest of them they were told the lie and believed it to be true therefore it is true to them. Unfortunately the rest of us fell for it. Either because of ignorance on our part and that was all we were ever told or we were just to lazy to really research the information when it was given to us in the first place. It sounded like a good line at first to me.
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Resurrected Prophets Need Proper I.D.
by Deli King ini came across this on the web.
it's a copy of the official deed for bet-sarim as printed in the 1930 awake.
i found it very amusing the the prophets mentioned in heb.
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That is just hillarious! They must have been drunk and they had very poor reading comprehension because Hebrew chapter 11 say that those faithful ones of old were looking forward to their heavenly reward. It never said anything about showing up in SanDiego! What form of Identification were they to present a drivers license maybe?
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THE TRUTH WILL SET YOU FREE Weekly # 1 - Only 144,000 Go To Heaven?
by UnDisfellowshipped inthe truth will set you free weekly # 1 -- only 144,000 go to heaven?
disclaimer: i am not an expert on the bible.
1st peter 1:3: blessed be the god and father of our lord jesus christ, who according to his great mercy became our father again to a living hope through the resurrection of jesus christ from the dead,.
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I really enjoyed your post. I agree with most of what you said. I too would like to hear what you have to say about Jesus being the first to go to heaven. I have my own thoughts on this.... and I'm not totally sure. I think maybe that when you are resurrected you go to a place in heaven but that is not the final l place. I think you go to a place that is like a holding place if you will, then at the time of judgement those who are Christians will go to the ultimate heaven. The scripture in Matt where it talks about Lazarus and the rich man elude to this I think. THis is only my opinion and I'm not totally sold on this thought yet I'm still studying.
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When You Were A Witness, Did You Ever Want To Go To Heaven?
by minimus insince it's very close to the memorial celebration, i thought that this question might be appropriate.
did you ever feel that you might just want to go to heaven???
or was your future only an earthly one?
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I was always envious going to heaven, I wanted to go to. LIving on earth forever didn't hold to much of an appeal for me. I just didn't know what I was going to do. I mean as a woman, it sounded like a bunch of work. They make it seem like you were going to be fetching water and washing dishes by hand and doing laundry by hand and gardening. I don't really like any of that stuff so I just couldn't understand why when we have all the modern conveniences now we were going to go back to doing everything by hand. It just doesn't make any sense. How are you going to travel. Horse and buggy...great it will take months to go and visit someone. I know I know you have all the time in the world. Who is going to make everything if there are no factories. Who is going to make the material for the clothes. Are you going to grow the cotton and then weave it into maerial and then sew the clothes....again it sounds like a whole lot of work to me. No thanks I want to go somewhere else. If that's all there is than shoot me know and I don't want to be resurrected just let me sleep! Heaven sounds better to me, it's got to be better than that. I use to think maybe there is something wrong with me for not really wanting that.
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Ground Zero
by Amazing ini recently traveled to new york city, but was not there to focus attention on the watchtower.
rather, ground zero was on my agenda, and i was not disappointed, though i discovered a few surprises.
i have been in the twin towers (wtc) several times, and have pictures of the view, including the watchtower buildings across the east river.
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My family and I were in NY two weeks after 9/11 and we got as close as they would let you then, about 5 blocks away, and took pictures. What an eye opener. The smoke still rising we all just stook there in silence for the longest time. It was so sad and se
kjeing it on TV was nothing like seeing it in person.
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What Was The Final Straw That Made You Leave The Organisation?
by SpannerintheWorks inas a faithful and zealous witness, nothing can question your faith.
but one day, something does!
you begin to have doubts.
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lv4fer
I stumbled upon the web site 587vs607BCE in July of 2001, I did some research of my own and determined that 607BCE was not the correct date which meant 1914 was wrong. This gave me the courage to read some other web sites and then I orderded the book C of C and after I was 1/2 throught that, It was all over. I knew it was all a lie and I was devastated that I could have allowed myself to be so decieved. The last meeting I attended was last years memorial and that was only to save face for my kids had not left yet. Currently my husband, children and I are all being shunned and we were never officially df'd or never da'd.