Posts by DesirousOfChange

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WAR begins.

by lastmanstanding in

things are moving right along.

“israel” has gone to war with iran.. who is fooled?.

this is uncle sam, same as in ukraine.. daniel layed out clearly the events of “d day” june 6, 1944 as the “ships of kittim” would sail against the king of the north.

DesirousOfChange

Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah

Give up on the Zechariah, Daniel, and Revelation 2000+ year old bullshit. It's about as accurate as CNN and NBC.

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WAR begins.

by lastmanstanding in

things are moving right along.

“israel” has gone to war with iran.. who is fooled?.

this is uncle sam, same as in ukraine.. daniel layed out clearly the events of “d day” june 6, 1944 as the “ships of kittim” would sail against the king of the north.

1/2 of the Jehovah’s witnesses have gone

by hoser in

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there are 1/2 of the jehovah’s witnesses that there were 30 years ago in my area.

some have left but i think that many have died and none of their kids stayed being jehovah’s witnesses.

7 congregations have been dissolved over the years.

DesirousOfChange

It’s easy to underestimate the influence a high-control group or cult can exert over intelligent, educated individuals. Among their members are accountants, lawyers, teachers, successful business owners, doctors, and more. These are people who genuinely believe in the core teachings and often find ways to suppress or rationalize the cognitive dissonance they inevitably face. ~ Stephane L.

Thank you so much for that statement! It might have taken just a little bit of the sting away that I have from evidently having been so gullible, ignorant, and brain-dead.

Doc

The greatest revenge is living a happy & successful life!

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5 Shocking Reasons Why Elders Are Leaving The Jehovah’s Witnesses — The Hidden Truth!

by Golden4Altar in

5 shocking reasons why elders are leaving the jehovah’s witnesses — the hidden truth!

(kingdom wisdom).

thousands of jehovah’s witness elders around the world are stepping down… and no one is talking about it.

DesirousOfChange

From my experience as having been an Elder is that there basically two kinds of Elders. [Eventually] a split develops (due to the person's base personality) where you begin to love the attention of the congregation and the fact your voice has authority, or you become an Elder just happy to work for the Brothers. The first group very quickly learn how to pass of the more mundane assignments to the second group. The glory seekers are normally happy to do public talks or the Watchtower study but are often absent on work based committees and midweek field service groups. As a result the glory hunters never step down from the body of Elders. Why? Because life is good for them.

I recall a "very prominent" elder in my Cong asking for the other elders to give him some relief from his mundane duties because he had been assigned TWO talks at the Dist Conv. and was overwhelmed.

I asked why he accepted TWO assignments if he wasn't going to be able to handle the additional responsibility and suggested maybe he should have been humble enough to realize his limitations and that one of those talks could likely have been handled by another elder who got NO speaking parts on the convention. Or did he think that NO ONE ELSE could do it as well as he could?

He said he certainly was not so arrogant as to think that, but evidently the CO making the assignments did.

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The Shocking Truth Behind the Menlo Park Congregation Takeover

by Newly Enlightened in

the brother & son of 2 of the original elders in the menlo park takeover tells us what really happened.

part 1. https://youtu.be/ypgadyu1nbk?si=g2tcfg21gynq0tfi.

DesirousOfChange

I applaud anyone who took the 2.5 hours to view the two videos. I have spent some time reading about Menlo Park in the past and it sounded like WT really circumvented some laws/policies. But no one cares. At least no one with the financial ability to pursue the issue. It takes money to go to court. WT has A LOT more money to delay and defend than anyone who might care.

I just can't invest that much of my time into much of anything pertaining to WT anymore.

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Predictions for the next decade?

by jehovaxx in

as it’s nearly the new year my prediction over the next decade or so will see the sense of urgency dwindle.

then some huge huge changes.

for example by 2034 in a decades time, they will have address the 1914 issue and will come out and say we can’t be dogmatic.

DesirousOfChange

Not much will change. The "busy work" will continue as they continue to declare that The End will come very, Very, VERY soon. There will always be a disaster, disease, insurrection, war/conflict to use to ramp up the message.

I think the CSA lawsuits will taper off, as WT really has implemented new policy to stop the abuse. NOT because of any ethical reasons, but primarily to stop the financial bleeding. WT Legal directs that law enforcement be notified (IF the State mandates such, and perhaps even if not).

I think they will concentrate very heavily on younger members to make them feel important and appreciated (especially young boys/men, less for girls/women who are clearly not as essential) to keep them from leaving.

The donation system -- the mandated per diem contribution for each publisher -- will go up, and up for the congregations, assemblies, etc. Congs that fail to maintain their required donations will be considered for dissolution (after a remodel is completed with free labor).

Conventions will be smaller to make use of Assembly Halls (already happening) so as to avoid paying rent to outside facilities. Locally, they have only one "large" Regional Convention (vs 2 or 3 in the past) and a smaller public venue, while the majority are assigned to the Assembly Hall. So that it does not just seem like the Circuit Assembly, Congs are not assigned by Circuits. Rather, 1 or 2 Congs from each circuit that uses the Assembly Hall are assigned to a convention so there is a feel that it includes a wider spectrum of delegates instead of the same old group at every Circuit Assembly. (This also allows teens to meet marriage mates from other circuits.)

Most changes will be implemented for one of two reasons: Cutting costs or increasing donations.

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By their own standards, they are no longer ...

by wantingtruth in

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by their own standards, they are no longer "jehovah's witnesses”.

.. i finally got a hold of the "od book" (organized to do jehovah's will), the book that replaced the other "organized" book for field service and congregational arrangements.

i was reading through this and noticed an irony starting on page 155. this section deals with "disassociation"... (i'm sure others have already seen or discussed this, but i've been running behind lately).. "a person might renounce his place in the christian congregation by his actions, such as by becoming part of a secular organization that has objectives contrary to the bible and, hence, is under judgment by jehovah god.

DesirousOfChange

The irony I see in this is the Society's connection with the U.N., which they have consistently said is basically a part of Satan's organization.

Rules for thee, but not for me.

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5 Shocking Reasons Why Elders Are Leaving The Jehovah’s Witnesses — The Hidden Truth!

by Golden4Altar in

5 shocking reasons why elders are leaving the jehovah’s witnesses — the hidden truth!

(kingdom wisdom).

thousands of jehovah’s witness elders around the world are stepping down… and no one is talking about it.

DesirousOfChange

I can't figure out why it took them 30 years after the generation doctrine failed and 50 years after the 1975 prophecy failed to leave. What took them so long?

I've asked that question so many, many times. Unfortunately, I was asking it about myself.

Slow learner, I guess?

The greatest revenge is living a happy and successful life!

Doc

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Know it’s not true but stay anyway

by Elena in

how many of the millions of jws know it’s not true but stay anyway?.

my guess is most jws know it’s not true on a subconscious level to an extent but they don’t want to think about it too much and would never ever voice it out loud.. but this is probably true with all religions around the world?.

DesirousOfChange

Some of my contemporaries even quit high school before 1975, and then when it didn't come then, they had to go back and get their diploma or a GED to qualify for any kind of paying job.

Blondie, we saw that in this area too. Young guys quitting high school to go do a job requiring a lot of manual labor but paying (what seemed like) good money at the time. They figured they only had to do it for a little while since THE END was SO very, very near. As time went on they got old and the physical labor was killing them. Many were unable to keep up the physical pace required and found they had no other skills to earn a good living. Others hung on as long as they could until they could qualify for disability or finally early Social Security.

Those same ones were also marrying as teenagers, fearing they wouldn't get to have sex if they waited until the New World. No surprise that marrying young and dumb (tho full of ***) led to lots of problems and eventually lots of divorces, and if not divorces then decades of problem marriages.

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Know it’s not true but stay anyway

by Elena in

how many of the millions of jws know it’s not true but stay anyway?.

my guess is most jws know it’s not true on a subconscious level to an extent but they don’t want to think about it too much and would never ever voice it out loud.. but this is probably true with all religions around the world?.

DesirousOfChange

Witnesses made life altering decisions (about careers, finances, health) on the say-so of men who had no education and had NO certainty about any time frame (or anything else it would seem)... People who listened to their advice are paying the price today! ~ LHG

Unfortunately, that is SO true, and SO common.

However, I do NOT see many of the younger people in our area doing that. It seems they are not really convinced about the "nearness" of The End and are hedging their bets by accumulating assets. They are building/buying nice homes and investing in pensions and 401(k) plans. And, they are all taking very nice vacations.