Yes, indeed - I loved the comedy skit (without meaning any offense for another human's suffering because I myself grew up with autism) - but not only does the skit do a clever job of illustrating what we frequently experience here on this board with certain posters but I couldn't help but feel it also illustrated those inside the WTS in their field service maneuvers - not always but often enough the comparison drew gales of laughter from me.
saltyoldlady
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Does this remind you of any posters?
by JRK inhttp://www.theonion.com/video/autistic-reporter-train-thankfully-unharmed-in-cra,20098/.
jk.
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Famliy Woes
by exjwza inso my story, just like everyone elses that has left, is one of confusion , hurt, and lots of mixed emotions, .
i was raised a witness, and at the age of 20ish bent to pressure from the elders and got baptised, my heart was never in it, not even as a child, it was more jsut the motions of it, because thats what you were taught your whole life to do.
about a year after being baptised, i met a a young lady that opened my eyes, while she wasnt in my life long, (dont blame her, i had a lot to deal with , family, elders, etc) she was my saving grace, in the "truth" i was depressive, lonely, :( .
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saltyoldlady
Guess three times was for emphasis - but it was an accident gang. lol
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Famliy Woes
by exjwza inso my story, just like everyone elses that has left, is one of confusion , hurt, and lots of mixed emotions, .
i was raised a witness, and at the age of 20ish bent to pressure from the elders and got baptised, my heart was never in it, not even as a child, it was more jsut the motions of it, because thats what you were taught your whole life to do.
about a year after being baptised, i met a a young lady that opened my eyes, while she wasnt in my life long, (dont blame her, i had a lot to deal with , family, elders, etc) she was my saving grace, in the "truth" i was depressive, lonely, :( .
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saltyoldlady
Welcome - welcome. My word for you - it only gets better as time rolls on. The day will come when you will look back with laughs and joy you left.
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Famliy Woes
by exjwza inso my story, just like everyone elses that has left, is one of confusion , hurt, and lots of mixed emotions, .
i was raised a witness, and at the age of 20ish bent to pressure from the elders and got baptised, my heart was never in it, not even as a child, it was more jsut the motions of it, because thats what you were taught your whole life to do.
about a year after being baptised, i met a a young lady that opened my eyes, while she wasnt in my life long, (dont blame her, i had a lot to deal with , family, elders, etc) she was my saving grace, in the "truth" i was depressive, lonely, :( .
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saltyoldlady
Welcome - welcome. My word for you - it only gets better as time rolls on. The day will come when you will look back with laughs and joy you left.
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Famliy Woes
by exjwza inso my story, just like everyone elses that has left, is one of confusion , hurt, and lots of mixed emotions, .
i was raised a witness, and at the age of 20ish bent to pressure from the elders and got baptised, my heart was never in it, not even as a child, it was more jsut the motions of it, because thats what you were taught your whole life to do.
about a year after being baptised, i met a a young lady that opened my eyes, while she wasnt in my life long, (dont blame her, i had a lot to deal with , family, elders, etc) she was my saving grace, in the "truth" i was depressive, lonely, :( .
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saltyoldlady
Welcome - welcome. My word for you - it only gets better as time rolls on. The day will come when you will look back with laughs and joy you left.
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New light on NEW LIGHT
by Terry inwell, it just sort of came to me while i was driving.. the doctrine of new light is a false analogy.. why had i not considered this before?.
here is what i'm thinking; see if you don't agree.... jehovah's witnesses are divided into three distinct tiers of membership.. 1.governing body anointed.
2.clueless anointed.
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saltyoldlady
I Got It!!!!!!!!!!!
You are all Shining Lights! But only if we follow the Father's Light will we get to the right destination. And His is like brilliant Sunshine compared to our own dim flashlight batteries.
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everyone read this so U all can help make my point
by TheLoveDoctor inwhen reading all of the variety of toppics on this site it appears by the lack of responses that some dont really care about your subject?
or they just cant find the word to say, or they mosly like reading but not commenting.
and some subjects ive read that have had many comments compared to others are just plane stupid as hell.
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saltyoldlady
I have made similar observations to yours - and asked the same questions myself - but truth of the matter for me is I skim the topics and only click on those that look as though they are going to be of interest to me - we all have very different fields of interest - many times I enjoy reading the material but there isn't anything left for me to say on the subject or the material is SO EXCELLENT I am overwhelmed at my own incapacities and ignorance. At those times I am learning it is best to zip the lip or quiet those tapping fingers.
Sometimes a post angers me because I think it has a a pinch of "injustice" in the tone and that will trigger a response - not necessarily my best contributions inspired by that motivation, however.
Sometimes someone says something that just RESONATES with my soul and I just HAVE to add my voice to the chorus - offkey though it may be.
Sometimes I see the name of the poster and it is someone with whom I've had a warm fuzzy feeling in the past so I just want to see what they have to say today even if the subject is not one of my specialties.
Sometimes the post just triggers my crazy side and stupid comebacks come pummeling out of the fingers before I realized I hit the "submit" button.
Sometimes I just really want to know something and I've found this place has been extremely helpful over and over.
And sometimes I really have something to share - lol - notice this is last on the list. One would think it would have been first but since when are we logical creatures?
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Where can I find a biblical timeline?
by Listener ini was wondering if there are any comprehensive timelines available, jw or otherwise?
i am looking for a diagram that lists the biblical characters and events and the years they were born/died and occurred - all in a summary type format.. .
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saltyoldlady
Chart of Outstanding Historical Dates on pages 204-207 in the WTS All Scripture Is Inspired of God and Beneficial - of course the dates are all WRONG! lol
I made this one a hobby for myself and have detailed it all out but don't have a nice nifty printout format for you - and frankly don't think I've found another of the homo sapiens species in agreement with me but it all seems very logical to my way of thinking and miraculously jives with most modern history - uses Bible Scripture numbers "almost" exclusively - the two gaps - Joshua to Judges, and Samuel's timeline are done via reasoning - Samuel item has many solid clues for us though. The Joshua to Judges gap I finally solved by process of deduction. And funny thing this deductive process jives with Book of Jasher but that writing itself considered spurious by many.
Timeline begins in 4130 BC
Gen Chap 5 gives us 1656 years from Adam to Flood
Gen 7:11 and 8:14 indicate approximately 1 year in the Ark
Gen Chap 11 give us 292 years from getting off the Ark down to Abram's birth - Many disagreements here but Dead Sea Scrolls Fragment 4Q 252 supports my thesis
Gen 12:4 give us 75 years from time of Abram's birth (2181 BC) down to age 75 when he receives the covenant
Exodus 12:40 and Gal 3:17 give us 430 years til time of Exodus from Egypt
Numbers 10:12 gives us approximately 1 year til spies are sent out by Moses to examine the promised land
Joshua 14:7-10 establishes 45 years from time of going out to spy the land until Joshua divides everything up (Caleb's Speech)
How much time from then until Joshua dies? No scriptural reference - a gap - but some time MUST be allowed. All we know is he died at age 110 - a clue - but it doesn't do much to solve the problem authoritatively.
The Book of Judges - count up each time period spoken about provides 410 years - 1 Sam 4:18 provides an additional 40 years for time of Eli's judging - thus equals exactly the 450 year Period of Judges spoken of at Acts 13:20.
No specific time period specified for Samuel but several clues - One he was a young lad when God gave his message to Samuel - Chapter 3 and not long after Eli died -
Two I Sam 8:1-5 tells us he was old gray when he anointed Saul as King. We are also told his sons were old enough they had begun serving as priests (at least 30 yrs of age then and obviously older than that because they had had enough time to establish a bad reputation with the people by accepting bribes, etc.) plus Samuel was old enough the people were beginning to be concerned about the possibility of his dying and the fact they might get stuck with oversight by his sons. So ask yourself how old does that have to be? Bible tells us in Ps 90:10 that age 70 was old, 80 was exceptionally old. My reasoning then is Samuel has to be at least 70 when he anoints King Saul. So IF (a big IF) Samuel were about 12 when Eli died I'd allow another 58 years here til Saul becomes King.
From here on out it's easy - Using records from Book of Kings on the Judean line only we arrive at 513 years for the Period of the Kings. Adding up years of each king's reign.
One really great touchstone for us here is the year 609 BC - date of Josiah's death. Can be verified by 4 other secular historical records - done nicely by Carl Olof Jonnson in his Book Gentile Times Reconsidered. II Kings 23:28-29 tells us Necho (of Egypt) is the one who puts Josiah to death and also gives us the information that he was coming to the aid of the Assyrian King Assur-umballitt at Haran. The reason for the fear of Assur-umballitt was Nabopolasser's (Babylon) joining up together with Cyaxexes of the Medes and Persians to finish off Assyria. Interestingly all four of these can be dated by their own secular histories and conincide with the date of 609 BC for the death of Josiah. Thus we have the dates of 640 to 609 for Josiah's reign anchored nicely. (5 different verification methods if we include Jewish biblical history)
The above thus identifies 587 BC as the correct date for burning of Jerusalem which of course is what the rest of the world already knows - only WTS and Bible Students Groups try to combat these dates because of their love affair with the 1914 date for end of Gentile Times.
So working backward from 587 BC we add 513 years from Period of Kings and arrive at 1100 BC for beginning of King Saul's reign. Working back from 1100 BC and adding 58 years for Samuel's life story backing up to his age 12 we arrive at 1158 BC for death of Eli. Working back 450 years for Period of Judges from Eli's death we arrive at 1608 BC for beginning of Period of Judges. If we make a logical calculated guess that Joshua was near the same age of Caleb when he went out to spy the land - possibly age 42 at that time and we subtract the difference from the age of his death at 110 we arrive at the possibility that he had a period of administration over Israel for 22 years. Working back from 1608 and adding on 22 years would bring us to 1630 BC for the dividing up of the land. Working back 45 plus 1 year (a total of 46 years) to time of Exodus gives us the date of 1676 BC for the Exodus - an idea that turns Egyptian chronologers hair grey and brings shouts of IT CAN'T BE! But we can argue that on another thread another day. The truth of the matter modern day Egyptian figures are figured off Ussher's 4004 starting date. They come up with the exact same number of years from Adam down til the time of the Exodus as I do so they put Ahmose I reign ending 1550 BC. They have deducted 2454 years from 4004 BC. I say deduct 2454 years from 4130 BC and we get 1676 BC as end of Ahmose I reign. Work back 2454 years (a combination of 430 year period to Covenant in 2106 BC plus 75 years of age for Abram to his birth at 2181 BC plus 292 years back to getting off the ark in 2473 BC plus 1 year on ark to 2474 BC - begininning of the flood plus 1656 years to Adam) equals 4130 BC for the beginning of the Bible record.
There are just lots and lots of advantages to this method because now everything fits in place - no overlapping screwups or tangled webs as Russell called them because he didn't understand. I can just see all your eyes glazing over. LOL.
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Cant get over this
by dogisgod ini really can't get over that there are more than over 50 "gnostic" books that have every qualification that the other books in the new testament have and people won't consider them because it doesn't jive with "their" dogmas.
i really like the book of thomas.. i also consider paul the first big time hijacker of jesus intent..
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saltyoldlady
I would like to read some of these - never have been exposed to them. Do you have a list? I will try to find the Thomas one you mention and get started on this endeavor. Some time ago Stephen Searle did send me a CD with several on it I believe but I haven't taken the time to go through it. Did remember the one by Barnabus too sounded interesting.
And have to comment on your name too - it brought smiles to my face as I remembered the first time I quit a Bible Study with the sisters way back in the early 60's because I wanted to become active in a Dog Club and edit their monthly journal. Also I was busy writing a column for Kennel Review at the time. She told me I was spelling God backwards. Thought it very clever on her part - and have never forgotten that moment when I tried spelling dog forward - Lightbulbs! Nevertheless she didn't get me to change course then. I resumed the study many years later but not with her.
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A Major Break Through!
by headisspinning ini just wanted to let you all know that i have had a major break through with my mom.. we have hashed everything out and she not only apologized for hurting us, but she also said she understands why we've made the decisions that we've made.. and best of all?
she is going to try to help us both get our kids back.. she had no idea of all the stuff going on with our ex spouses and she's very upset about it.. she said that she accepts where we are at in regard to the religion and although she does hope we might change our minds down the road, she just wants us to be happy.. at this point she still feels she needs to respect the disfellowshipping arrangement and i'm not pressuring her about that.
after all, rome wasn't built in a day and i would say major progress has been made here.. just wanted to let you guys know where things are at right now and a big thank you for all of your support, advice and care through this ordeal..
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saltyoldlady
Great news! Another prayer answered!