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Is it normal to quote without naming the source like WT does?
by InterestedOne in
1. watchtower
2. bible
i am noticing here and there that the wt literature will say things like "one bible dictionary says ..." or "one scholar says ..." and then proceed with a quotation.

my immediate reaction is to ask myself why they didn't provide the specific source of the quote - author, publication, page #, etc.

so i am wondering, do other magazines do this?
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Argument from authority
+ Rhetorical Fallacy in the Watchtower
+ http://www.sixscreensofthewatchtower.com/bagoftricks.html
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Acts 10:19, 20 - Destroying the Holy Spirit personification argument
by GOrwell in
1. watchtower
2. bible
this set of scriptures pretty much demolishes "the holy spirit is only god's active force and is only personified throughout the bible" argument (as if the rest book of acts doesn't already).

these verses pretty much put the nail in the coffin of that argument :.

acts 10:19,20 - nwt.
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- Zechariah 4:6 - Then he answered and spake unto me, saying, This [is] the word of the LORD unto Zerubbabel, saying, Not by might, nor by power, but by my spirit, saith the LORD of hosts.
- Luke 1:35 - ....The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will cover you with its shadow....
- Luke 4:14 - Jesus returned to Galilee in the power of the Spirit, and news of him spread throughout the whole region.
- Acts 10:38 - God had anointed him with the Holy Spirit and with power...
- Romans 15:13 - May the God of hope fill you with all joy and peace in believing, so that you may abound in hope by the power of the holy Spirit.
- Romans 15:19 - ....by the power of signs and wonders, by the power of the Spirit of God.
- 1Cor 2:4 - And my speech and my preaching [was] not with enticing words of man's wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power
- 1Thess 1:5 - because our gospel came to you not only in words, but also in power and in the Holy Spirit and with great effect.
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Acts 10:19, 20 - Destroying the Holy Spirit personification argument
by GOrwell in
1. watchtower
2. bible
this set of scriptures pretty much demolishes "the holy spirit is only god's active force and is only personified throughout the bible" argument (as if the rest book of acts doesn't already).

these verses pretty much put the nail in the coffin of that argument :.

acts 10:19,20 - nwt.
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The Holy Spirit is a Person
- Luke 12:12 - the Holy Spirit will teach you in that hour what you ought to say. He (the Holy Spirit) teaches the faithful.
- John 14:17 - the world neither sees Him or knows Him ("Him" is referring to the Holy Spirit). You know Him for He dwells with you.
- John 14:26 - the Counselor, the Holy Spirit, He will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all I have said to you.
- John 15:26 - the Spirit, who proceeds from the Father, He will bear witness to me. He = the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is a person, not a thing.
- John 16:7 - if I do not go, the Counselor will not come to you. But if I go, I (Jesus) will send Him to you.
- John 16:7 - this verse also proves the filioque (that the Holy Spirit proceeds from both the Father and the Son). The Father isn?t just loving the Son; the Son is loving the Father in return, in the same Spirit of love. Therefore, the Spirit proceeds from both the Father and the Son.
- John 16: 8 - when He (the Holy Spirit) comes, He will convince the world concerning sin and righteousness and judgment.
- John 16:13-14 - when the Spirit of truth comes He will guide you into all truth. He will speak, He will declare and He will glorify.
- Acts 8:29; 10:19-20; 11:12;13:2; Rev. 22:17 - the Holy Spirit speaks to us like a human person.
- Acts 15:25,28 - it seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us. The Holy Spirit, as a divine person, thinks and makes judgments.
- Rom. 8:26 - the Spirit Himself intercedes for us with sighs too deep for words. It is the Spirit Himself, not itself.
- Rom. 8:16 - it is the Spirit Himself bearing witness with our spirit that we are children of God. The Spirit is a person.
- Rom. 15:30 - I appeal to you by the Lord Jesus and the love of the Spirit. Only persons, rational beings, can love.
- 1 Cor. 12:11 - the Holy Spirit apportions His gifts to each one individually as He wills. He is the third person of the Godhead.
- 2 Cor. 13:14 - the Holy Spirit can have fellowship with the faithful like a human person.
- Eph. 4:30 - the Holy Spirit can be grieved, just as human persons can be grieved.
The Holy Spirit is God
- Job 33:4 - "The Spirit of God made me and the breath of the Almighty has given me life." Only God is the creator of life.
- Matt. 12:31; Luke 12:10 - Jesus says blasphemy against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven. Only God can be blasphemed.
- John 4:24 - God is a spirit (the Holy Spirit) and they who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth. Only God is worshiped.
- John 14:16,26; 15:26; 16:7 - the Father and the Son send the Counselor, the Holy Spirit - Isaiah 9:6 - the Counselor is Mighty God.
- Acts 5:3-4,9 - Peter tells Ananias that he lied to the Holy Spirit, and that he has not lied to men, but to God (the Holy Spirit).
- Acts 28:25-27 - the Holy Spirit said "Go to this people and say..." - Isaiah 6:8-10 - the Lord said "Go to this people and say..."
- Rom. 8:11 - the Spirit that raised Jesus up from the dead - Gal. 1:1 - God the Father raised Jesus from the dead.
- 1 Cor. 2:10 - the Spirit searches everything - Jer. 17:10 - the Lord searches the heart.
- 1 Cor. 3:16 - you are the temple of God - 1 Cor. 6:19 - you are the temple of the Holy Spirit.
- 1 Cor. 12:4-6 - there are varieties of gifts but the same Spirit, varieties of service but the same Lord, varieties of working but same God.
- 2 Cor. 3:6,17 - we are ministers of the covenant in the Spirit which gives life. Now the Lord (God) is the Spirit.
- Heb. 10:16 - the Holy Spirit said this is the covenant I will make - Jer. 31:33 - the Lord said this is the covenant I will make.
- 1 Peter 1:2 - we are sanctified by the Holy Spirit - 1 Thess. 5:23 - the very God of peace sanctifies you wholly.
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Acts 10:19, 20 - Destroying the Holy Spirit personification argument
by GOrwell in
1. watchtower
2. bible
this set of scriptures pretty much demolishes "the holy spirit is only god's active force and is only personified throughout the bible" argument (as if the rest book of acts doesn't already).

these verses pretty much put the nail in the coffin of that argument :.

acts 10:19,20 - nwt.
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Anti-Trinitarian proof texts against the Holy Spirit refuted
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Questions to ask from Bible Teach Ch 8
by InterestedOne in
1. watchtower
2. bible
i'm going to my jw "bible" study tonight.

we are on chapter 8 and will pick up at par 15. any suggestions for questions to ask?.
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http://www.thearmchairscholar.org
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JW's say Worldly People are Better Off DEAD
by UnDisfellowshipped in
1. jw
2. friends
jehovah's witnesses and the "better off dead" doctrine.

for decades the official jw teaching was that "worldly people" (non-jws) would be "better off dead" because "the wages sin pays is death" and once you have died, you have paid for your sins, so then jehovah is free to resurrect you (as long as you had not committed the "unforgivable sin").. whereas, if you had not died and had remained a worldly "unbeliever" when armageddon arrived, jehovah would have destroyed you and doomed you to everlasting destruction in gehenna.. this "better off dead" doctrine never did make any sense to me.

why would jehovah resurrect you if you died the day before armageddon, but if you stayed alive until the next day you would be destroyed and doomed forever to the lake of fire?
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144,000 - Do only 144,000 Jehovah's Witnesses go to heaven? This paper begins with a brief summary of the Jehovah's Witnesses' beliefs. It then examines several areas of interest with respect to that religion's false teachings, such as, a) whether only 144,000 Jehovah's Witnesses go to heaven to rule over earthly subjects and the Great Crowd, b) whether Christ's Second Coming occurred in 1914, and whether Jesus began ruling over God's kingdom in 1914 but received only a subsidiary share of that kingdom, c) whether the New Covenant of Jeremiah 31:31-34 is limited to only God, Jesus and the 144,000 and whether that eternal covenant lasts only 2,000 years, d) whether resurrected man can be perfected through their educational salvation program during the thousand year reign, e) whether man is not judged for deeds committed during this life but only those committed during the 1,000 year reign, f) whether the first resurrection began in 1918, g) whether Jesus Christ is actually dispensed with after the millennial reign, and much more.
http://144000.110mb.com/144000/index.html
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"Oh but there is the resurrection!"
by Leto in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
just thought i'd share what came out of the mouth of a local elder a few months ago.. it all started when they ignored our "no tresspassing" sign, and drove up our rural driveway as part of their cult recruiting ritual, or the "bothering work" as my dad calls it.

i told him that the witlesses fly the flag of "we only believe in the bible", but that simply put, the watchtower blatantly ignores all sorts of scripture.

he looked at me funny, and i used the example of the great crowd.
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144,000 - Do only 144,000 Jehovah's Witnesses go to heaven? This paper begins with a brief summary of the Jehovah's Witnesses' beliefs. It then examines several areas of interest with respect to that religion's false teachings, such as, a) whether only 144,000 Jehovah's Witnesses go to heaven to rule over earthly subjects and the Great Crowd, b) whether Christ's Second Coming occurred in 1914, and whether Jesus began ruling over God's kingdom in 1914 but received only a subsidiary share of that kingdom, c) whether the New Covenant of Jeremiah 31:31-34 is limited to only God, Jesus and the 144,000 and whether that eternal covenant lasts only 2,000 years, d) whether resurrected man can be perfected through their educational salvation program during the thousand year reign, e) whether man is not judged for deeds committed during this life but only those committed during the 1,000 year reign, f) whether the first resurrection began in 1918, g) whether Jesus Christ is actually dispensed with after the millennial reign, and much more.
http://144000.110mb.com/144000/index.html
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WTBTS "uses" heroes of church history only when it suits them to make a point
by AuntBee in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
" god raised up bold champions for his word, among whom were luther, zwingli, melanchthon, wycliffe, knox and others.

" (divine plan of the ages) um...hello??

bold champions for his word?
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Were the Early Christians Jehovah’s Witnesses?
- http://www.cephas-library.com/jw_faith_of_our_fathers_1.html
- http://www.cephas-library.com/jw_faith_of_our_fathers_2.html
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What is "the Kingdom"?
by Darth Eowyn in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
i have been lurking for a couple of months and decided to join because i wanted to get further information.. i am not a jw, ex jw, or even considering becoming a jw.

i am a fairly devout, practicing catholic.

two weeks ago, a couple of jw publishers stopped by to discuss their schtick.
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http://144000.110mb.com/144000/index.html
http://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/144000.php & http://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/great-crowd-other-sheep.php
http://www.sixscreensofthewatchtower.com/1144000andmemorial.html
http://orthocath.wordpress.com/2010/11/09/seeds-of-doubt-for-jehovahs-witnesses-...
http://ia700108.us.archive.org/15/items/IsYourHopeBible-based/Is_Your_Hope_Bible...
http://orthocath.wordpress.com/2010/04/28/do-the-old-testament-saints-receive-a-...
http://www.apocalipsis.org/144000.htm
http://www.apocalipsis.org/rev-7.htm#multitude

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The Holy Spirit is a Person

The Holy Spirit is God

Were the Early Christians Jehovah’s Witnesses?