Posts by fulltimestudent

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Jehovah’s Witnesses Hunted Down And Deported

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jehovah’s witnesses hunted down and deported.. https://bitterwinter.org/jehovahs-witnesses-hunted-down-and-deported/.

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The difficulties in Xinjiang have a complex background, As far back as Roman times, the then early Chinese state, the Han Empire had established a presence in Central Asia, as this map indicates.

The separation of the two empires (Rome and China) was then caused by the Sasinanian (Persian) Empire. Later in time, China and Persian Iran began a trading relationship that is still active (I've personally met a large group of Iranians in China - about 12 years ago- on a buying junket).

The so-called 'Silk Road' (a term I do not like to use, as the 'East-West Trading Network' is a far better descriptive term to describe this network, which at times involved maritime trading) passed througn what is now called Xinjiang. At times in history, various Central Asian Turkic empires also held parts of this territory, From a contemporary viewpoint, a modern historical episode could BE deemed to commence with the rise of the Manchu (Qing) Empire. The Manchu were one of the various inter-related people that fought with what we now call China and at times established similar kingdoms to the Chinese Empire and later become integrated within the Chinese Empire. During the Manchu rise to power several groups like the Turkic people now called Uyghurs (And the Tibetans) became part of what is more correctly called the Qing Empire. That Empire included Han* Chinese also, with the ruling Manchu elite choosing to live in Beijing.

There are nearly 22 million Muslims living in China. During the so-called 'Cold War' the American security forces attempted to foment unrest in, at least, two areas of China, Tibet and the south of Xinjiang (where most Uyghur live. I wont go into those American efforts (unless someone requests it), suffice to say that they have failed in Tibet, but have had a limited success in south Xinjiang

Of the ethnic groups that live in Xinjiang, the Uyghur people number nearly 9,000,000. The second largest group are Han Chinese (see below) but there about 13 different nationalities, including Kazakhs, Kirghyz, Manch, Xibes, Tajiks, Ozbeks, Tatars and even some Russians. Some of these groups are small, some large. There are near to 1,4 million Kazaks and near to one million Hui. Most of these people are likely to be Muslim.

One poster wants to see the,problems in Xinjiang as the Chinese government persecuting Muslims. I don't think that is true. Why? First of all, there are Muslims all over China, so why is this problem only occurring in Xinjiang? There are over 30.000 mosques in China, the oldest dating to the 8th century is located in Xian.If you know the history of Islam, you will appreciate that mosque must have been established close to the beginning of Islam, There are some in south China, close to port cities that were the centre of trading with the Arab bloc before Europeans even found the skill to navigate around Africa (truth is the early Portuguese navigators enlisted the help of Muslim Arabs),

There are no reports of 'persecution' of Muslims in other parts of China, only in Xinjiang. So what's different in Xinjiang? I'm sure the 'experts' that know all about this, know that China has a border with both Afghanistan and Pakistan - both being centres of Muslim terrorism. Do these 'experts also know that there have been many terrorist incidents in Xinjiang, In one, more than 100 people were slaughtered by five knife wielding terrorists. In your country, what would be the result of such an attack? These attacks have been happening for at least 10 years. It is also known that a training camp for Xinjiang terrorists was established in Taliban held Afghanistan, The Chinese authorities would surely wonder what will be the result of a new government in Afghanistan with Taliban membership (its rumoured, but has not yet happened),

So what about these prison camps? I do not doubt that there are such camps, but how big/many would they have to be to hold one million prisoners? But granting for a moment that there are a lot of prisoners held, and there is a program to re-train their outlook, isn't that what a lot of western people think should be happening in their own countries?

One final comment. The program apparently being attempted in Xinjiang is not directed at Islamic thought. Neither, is the program that seems anti-Christian directed at all Christians, In both instances these programs are directed at anti-state activities. In the case of christian activity its directed at those who sneak into China using the pretext that they are English teachers, also at those groups that do not want to register their activity

If anyone, thinks the Chinese government can control the thinking of 1.4 billion people, then they need some re-education in reasoning. A security guard, I once had a talk with (via an Australian Chinese interpreter) said, "No-one can stop Chinese people from doing something they want to. That was one of the messages in the cultural Revolution. Its "OK to Rebel." I've seen it happen here in Australia, PRC Chinese told they cant do something, and then arguing for a long time that they should be allowed to do it. But it can be a problem when your enemy adopts that thinking. If you wish, learn Chinese and start using the internet. It can, I'm told be pretty ferocious, But yes, there are a few topics that cannot be discussed,

* However, even though the term Han is applied to those who the West sees as Chinese, the reality is that 'Han' really includes all the racial groups that over the centuries accepted Chinese civilisation. And, there we see the principle difference between East Asia and Europe. When the western Roman Empire collapsed (under the pressure exercised by Central Asian nomads, some of whom had pressured the Chinese Empire, Europe broke up into smaller Nation-States. In East Asia, the pressure came from peoples like the Mongols and Manchu's in the north and the Turkic peoples in the West, the Tibetans - and others - in the Southwest and Tai (Thai) people and Burmese people in the south. Over the centuries, areas controlled by each party, waxed and waned, and what you see today is contemporary China, with over 160 different ethnic groups in the border areas. Most of them living in autonomous areas. So almost the direct opposite of the European experience.

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Jehovah’s Witnesses Hunted Down And Deported

by Bangalore in

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jehovah’s witnesses hunted down and deported.. https://bitterwinter.org/jehovahs-witnesses-hunted-down-and-deported/.

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I've posted before on the topic of opposition to christiainity in China, mostly dealing with the terrible Christian Taiping revolt, against the Qing Empire, who then ruled China (?? so was China the entity we know as China during the 250 years (approx) that China was part of the Qing Empire - just an historical teaser). That war likely, caused more deaths that any other war in human history (some 35 million). It was a result of the British and French efforts to colonise China, and the various treaties made when the Chinese State was defeated. One provision was that christian missionaries had open slather in China. Much of the persecution and the atrocities that were committed in the later (so-called) Boxer rebellion in China was a result of christian missionaries having open slather and not being subject to Chinese law. Even though the later dictator, Jiang Jiesi (aka Chiang Kai shek) flirted with christianity, a deep dislike of christianity has remained a constant in Chinese thinking.

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Cardinal George Pell convicted of sex abuse

by wozza in

he is the highest rank catholic to cop this in australia .

his case was suppressed for some time but now is public ,.

the news is just breaking on tv he has right of appeal still denying guilt.

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As the poster Barry has pointed out, Pell legal team is appealing his conviction. A matter that two of his supporters, former Prime Ministers, John Howard (who wrote a character reference for Pell's use in court) and Tone Abbott ( a Catholic) both believe. apparently, that the appeal will quash the conviction, So we shall have to wait and see whether the conviction will stick.

But there are other things that inform us as to the character of George Pell. A Sydney lawyer, John Ellis. who was himself sexually abused by a priest, and who was denigrated by George Pell, writes in a Fairfax newspaper:

" George Pell has been a controversial figure for decades and has been a staunch defender of the church. He has repeatedly touted his credentials as a person to whom sexual abuse of minors is an abhorrent scourge on the church. He has done so as a cover to seek to divert attention away from his record as a man who has waged a covert war on victims and survivors of abuse and who orchestrated the church’s defence to my claim – the "Ellis defence", by which I was figuratively hung, drawn and quartered and displayed as a warning to any other survivor who may have the temerity to seek to sue the church. It claimed there was "no legal entity responsible for sexual abuse in the Catholic Church.""

Whether or not Pell's conviction stands, Pell is guilty of something worse than the sexual abuse of a child, he is guilty of attempting to pervert justice. Particularly so, since the injustice is based on a certain perception of sex and its function in humans, that has been taught and advocated throughout the areas we call 'the West.'

Ellis further wrote of Pell,

"George Pell apologised to me for the legal abuse perpetrated by the church under his watch as Archbishop of Sydney. Before he departed for Rome in 2014, he famously recited a public apology not to me but to the assembled audience at the conclusion of the Royal Commission into Institutional Responses to Child Sexual Abuse public hearing. I had a cup of tea with him. While that was a private meeting and will remain so, I can say that I have never felt any warmth from the man. I was not left with a sense of any acceptance of personal responsibility for how he sought to crush me or any appreciation of the impacts of his own actions."

Pell's view of the world parallels that of the Watchtower Society's -- whose only motivation is the protection and perpetuation of a grimy unneccessary organisation that has no place in a rational world.

Link to the Canberra Time article: https://www.canberratimes.com.au/national/history-will-judge-george-pell-the-cardinal-who-sought-to-crush-me-20190227-p510ma.html

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A Night to Remember? Or to forget (as most have done). One night in the Garden.

by fulltimestudent in

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in 1930.

20,000 americans rallied in new york to celebrate- an event largely forgotten from recent american history.. https://vimeo.com/316176375?from=outro-embed.

more at: https://anightatthegarden.com/?fbclid=iwar1tahxn2rba9hrzd7onms_gel-bmbraexatzykox1s4thjkivyrp0wm62q.

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In 1930. 20,000 Americans rallied in New York to celebrate- an event largely forgotten from recent American history.

https://vimeo.com/316176375?from=outro-embed

More at: https://anightatthegarden.com/?fbclid=IwAR1Tahxn2rba9hrZd7oNms_GEL-BmBRAeXATZykOx1s4tHjKIVyrP0wM62Q

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Has anyone had a cataract affect eye lens replaced with an artificial lens?

by fulltimestudent in

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i have a cataract in one eye, and am scheduled for an operation sometime ()when my turn comes up).

i'm told the artificial replacement lens will be multifocal.

i'm hoping that my sight will go back to near normal.

fulltimestudent

Thank you to all for commenting.

I'll respond, In the chronological order of posts, to those whose information was of value to me.

1. waton - I have no information yet as to what type of lens I will be offered. I understand it is likely to be an implant with two focal lengths, but I guess I will find out if I have a choice at the pre-op meeting with the hospital.

2. LongHairGal - That's what I really wanted to be sure of, that the results will be OK.

3. Nathan Natas - Good! I'm hoping that my left eye will have an excellent result also. And, No! I will not travel to Cuba for this work. As I understand it, the Sydney Public Hospital that I've been referred to, will do the procedure for free. So far, all the work is free, from an initial consultation with my usual medical centre when I found left eye was seeing a blurred image. to the the three hours of tests at Sydney eye hospital to make sure there was not other complications, etc have been free.That's because the government-owned universal Health Insurance scheme pays for these procedures. I guess some would call that socialism. I just see it as a government owned business. But for those who are curious, it usually works as well as if it was owned by an individual or a company. Generally in Australia, the best hospitals are owned by the government, Although, the university from which I recently graduated, owns a so-called 'private' hospital.

Tantalon - That's interesting, I'll ask about this possible warm tone/cool tone differentation when my turn comes.

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Has anyone had a cataract affect eye lens replaced with an artificial lens?

by fulltimestudent in

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friends

i have a cataract in one eye, and am scheduled for an operation sometime ()when my turn comes up).

i'm told the artificial replacement lens will be multifocal.

i'm hoping that my sight will go back to near normal.

fulltimestudent

I have a cataract in one eye, and am scheduled for an operation sometime ()when my turn comes up). I'm told the artificial replacement lens will be multifocal. I'm hoping that my sight will go back to near normal. At this time, typing becomes a bit tedious as I seem to making more mistakes.

If anyone has has this an artificial lens fitted, what's been your experience with its?

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Are You Horrifed if Someone Goes Into a “Massage Parlor”?

by minimus in

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yesterday, robert kraft, the owner of the new england patriots, got busted for getting a massage and more.

they say there is another more high profile person who also got busted.. does this stuff upset you that some men have gone into a massage parlor for possibly more than a massage?

?.

fulltimestudent

Happy to say that this sort of thing has not been a criminal act in Australia for a long time, No street action that I know off in the suburb where live. In fact, the only time i've noticed street action in Sydney was in a gay area that I walked through on my way home (when I was working).

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Diversity is White Genocide

by corrie54 in

asia for the asians, africa for the africans, white countries for everybody!.

everybody says there is this race problem.

everybody says this race problem will be solved when the third world pours into every white country and only into white countries.. the netherlands and belgium are just as crowded as japan or taiwan, but nobody says japan or taiwan will solve this race problem by bringing in millions of third worlders and quote assimilating unquote with them.. everybody says the final solution to this race problem is for every white country and only white countries to “assimilate,” i.e., intermarry, with all those non-whites.. what if i said there was this race problem and this race problem would be solved only if hundreds of millions of non-blacks were brought into every black country and only into black countries?.

fulltimestudent

For the sake of accuracy and the lesson we can learn from it!

Quote: "The Roman empire eroded too, eventually to the point of schism, but that didn't stop humanity evolving culturally, and look where we are today in comparison to then."

The Roman empire did not end until 1453 when the Ottoman army broke into the city of Constantinople (Byzantium also called by some, New Rome) and brought the final end to the Roman Empire. (That's unless you believe in a Eurocentric view of the world).

The Roman Emperor Constantine had selected this site for his new city he may have called 'New Rome and 330 CE is regarded as the start date. He did that for reasons that may be unclear. But certainly it was a more convenient location for a capital. (it may or may not have been recognised as 'the' capital for a few more decades). Old Rome fell to Germanic tribes in 330 and brought an end to what historian call the western Roman Empire. And from the perspective of Constantine's new religious policy, there were far more Christians in West Asia than in Europe. And, Asia was far more prosperous then than Europe.

So lets fast forward 1000+ years to the Islamic conquest of Constantinople, the citizens began to convert to Islam. Of course, this was just another step in the conversion of western Asia from Christianity to Islam.

Can we learn anything from that. Yes! History has trends and people who try to resist the trends may finish up the losers (like the 100s of Constantinople residents who fled to the great church, the Hagia Sophia, believing their god would protect them. He didn't! Sultan Mehmet II allowed his army a few days of pillaging, and that included killing 100s in the great church and the raping of women and young men within the church, No wonder some started to convert, No wonder that West Asian christianity became a spent force.

Would that western Roman empire have survived longer if it had tried some sort of accommodation with the Ottomans? There's no answer to that question, but maybe.

I've referred before to Pankaj Mishra's book, From the Ruins of Empire: The Revolt against the West and the remaking of Asia. Mishra describes the Asian trends that commenced as a result of European colonisation. We may want to seclude ourselves from these historical processes, but that may only delay the process and your kids may face a bigger problem,

That's why the present USA elite's China policy is a bad move. It would be wiser to just watch from the sidelines, the Chinese policy of attempting to bring modernity and prosperity to the rest of Asia and to Africa. If it fails, the west could still pick up the pieces. It would be even wiser to assist China in that process. If all the world becomes prosperous, those with the mindset we are discussing here could keep themselves locked up in their little communities and no else in the world will give a rat's arse about you.

Please excuse any typos, I have a bit of a sight problem and am awaiting an operation, and I havn't got time today to check carefully,

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Diversity is White Genocide

by corrie54 in

asia for the asians, africa for the africans, white countries for everybody!.

everybody says there is this race problem.

everybody says this race problem will be solved when the third world pours into every white country and only into white countries.. the netherlands and belgium are just as crowded as japan or taiwan, but nobody says japan or taiwan will solve this race problem by bringing in millions of third worlders and quote assimilating unquote with them.. everybody says the final solution to this race problem is for every white country and only white countries to “assimilate,” i.e., intermarry, with all those non-whites.. what if i said there was this race problem and this race problem would be solved only if hundreds of millions of non-blacks were brought into every black country and only into black countries?.

fulltimestudent

Quote: A poster asks. "Where is the freckled ginger kid in this 100m final? Perhaps we are just not socialising ginger kids to believe they can run fast."

and illustrates the question with an image of African athletes at the winning post.

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The reason why, West Africans are so athletic appears to be genetic. Their genes (for whatever reason) make it possible for them to excel in running.

Here;s the reason explained in a UK TImes discussion, (re-published in Rupert Murdoch's, The Australian.)

Quote: "Research undertaken in 2003 found that variation in a particular gene called ACTN3 is associated with sprinting success (through its impact on fast-twitch muscle fibres), and that the "sprint" version of this gene is more common among Jamaicans than other populations.

This led to headlines suggesting that Jamaican sprinting success is hereditary. A recent book by a leading French journalist has also made this claim.

But the reality is more complex. Although 98 per cent of Jamaicans have the relevant gene, so, too, do 82 per cent of Europeans. In other words, both these populations have a huge majority of individuals with an ACTN3 gene conducive to sprinting success.

Further research has found that Kenyans (who win distance events but have virtually no success in sprinting) have an even higher frequency of the relevant gene than Jamaicans.

It turns out that most of the genetic diversity within mankind is contained within racial groups, rather than between them. At these Olympics, blacks, who have often been under-represented in swimming events, have started making it into the US team.

It is possible, although not certain, that patterns of national dominance in swimming and athletics will change over time, as the popularity of different sports shift.

What is certain is that the very notion of "black" athletic superiority is deeply misguided." The Times.

Edited to add the reference link: https://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/genetic-research-shows-athletic-skill-is-not-a-black-and-white-issue/news-story/794c66e0c667e7db8af44edc852531fa

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Diversity is White Genocide

by corrie54 in

asia for the asians, africa for the africans, white countries for everybody!.

everybody says there is this race problem.

everybody says this race problem will be solved when the third world pours into every white country and only into white countries.. the netherlands and belgium are just as crowded as japan or taiwan, but nobody says japan or taiwan will solve this race problem by bringing in millions of third worlders and quote assimilating unquote with them.. everybody says the final solution to this race problem is for every white country and only white countries to “assimilate,” i.e., intermarry, with all those non-whites.. what if i said there was this race problem and this race problem would be solved only if hundreds of millions of non-blacks were brought into every black country and only into black countries?.

fulltimestudent

Quote: "It’s interesting, yet not surprising that these beliefs were in the Kingdom Hall!!!"

I agree, but with some reservations. I suggest again that the underlying influence was 'culture.' I can only give two examples, so it's dangerous to suggest they prove anything. But it is interesting to see the different attitudes of missionaries from two different countries,

The first is Australian. Some Australian witnesses moved to Papua-New Guinea to serve. An Australian newspaper, writing on contemporary P-NG thought that the church group with Australian missionaries in P-NG, were the only missionaries that looked comfortable sitting on the ground, in a mud hut, with indigenous people who seldom washed and who smeared themselves with pig fat, which also stank. BUT, the one Australian who I knew personally, told me that he stayed in P-NG for less than a year, simply because he could not stand that over-powering stench, It is my belief that whatever success the witnesses had in P-NG was due to John Cutforth, a Canadian Gilead graduate who had one of the warmest personlities you could imagine, and who could thrive in the stench of pig-vat and human B.O. That story illustrates the role of culture. On Australian could not adjust his cultural settings, the other witness, John Cutforth, was a man who could adjust his cultural settings.

The other story is Taiwain. Again, this story is from many years ago, The JW work in Taiwan was progressing slowly. I asked an Australian missionary working in Taiwan what may be the reason for that? His response was that most missionaries in Taiwan were Americans and kept trying (in his words) to turn the Chinese converts into 'little Americans.' In his opinion, they should have focused on beliefs and not attempted to change their culture.